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0 x 0 = 0

Discussion in 'Ethics & Morality' started by stan1980, Oct 15, 2008.

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  1. SiderealExalt

    SiderealExalt New Member

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    You probably wont. P_F's whole 0x0=atheism is exactly one thing, nonsensical.
     
  2. Wiccan_Child

    Wiccan_Child Contributor

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    They are required to demonstrate the effect to us macroscopic humans, yes. But the point is that the effect occurs even if the plates are removed and the equipment dismantled. The Casimir effect is a by-product of particle-antiparticle pairs popping into (and then out of) existence, completely spontaneously. Hawking radiation can be seen as another example of where this otherwise negligible phenomenon can be observed (though Hawking radiation has yet to be observed itself :p).

    We can define it, insofar as it is not a thing at all, but an absence of anything. If there is something, then there is not nothingness. But saying "something from nothing" does not mean that something has travelled from one location, "nothingness", to our location, "somethingness". It means "some thing now exists which didn't exist before, and this coming-into-being was without cause (i.e., not facilitated by any heretofore extant system)".
     
  3. Wiccan_Child

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    Only if "cheese" was a symbol for the amount of cheese we have. I was not using "cheese" to represent a mathematical or physical quantity.

    Indeed, but that's not my point.
     
  4. Psudopod

    Psudopod Godspeed, Spacebat

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    Nope. At best we don't know what caused everything. We just don't believe in adding in a deity for which we have no evidence for. Cause and effect get a bit complicated when you are talking about the origins of time.

    Nope, you have to work hard for years, demonstrate understanding and increase the sum of knowledge of the human race before you get one of those. Making unsubstaciated claims telling people what they believe don't count.
     
  5. cantata

    cantata Queer non-theist, with added jam.

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    Proving the existence of a first cause is a very, very long way from proving the existence of God, anyway.
     
  6. Chesterton

    Chesterton Whats So Funny bout Peace Love and Understanding

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    With the plates gone, and the equipment dismantled, how is it observed/measured? Is an attracting force still present?

    Aren't you making an assumption when you say “completely spontaneously”? Perhaps it appears spontaneous because we don’t perceive it’s relation to anything else. Couldn't that change in the future?


    I think your definition might need a definition. What could “an absence of anything” possibly mean?

    Again, “without cause” is an assumption, isn’t it? I’m not saying it’s a baseless assumption; it’s based on the best we know at this time, but it is an assumption. Remember intelligent scientists once believed living maggots spontaneously generated from dead meat.
     
  7. Polycarp_fan

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    The world of political correctness. Where so many other facts are brushed aside as nonsense.
     
  8. Polycarp_fan

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    You and John.

    Christians, gotta love their desire for thought.
     
  9. stan1980

    stan1980 Veteran

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    Are you going to answer my question, pf?
     
  10. Polycarp_fan

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    You know, it's hard for me to stay humble when all this ad hom does is feed my ego. I'm just a man afterall.

    0 x 0 = Atheism, is a rational statement.
     
  11. stan1980

    stan1980 Veteran

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    Please find me where you got the idea that all atheists believe that we are the sum of 0 x 0?
     
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  12. Polycarp_fan

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    My tiny little mind? Hmm, yeah sure, I'm gonna jump right on answering ad hom like that. How about you getting the universe out of zero and get back to me. Without the rote-vitriol of the commmon atheist mouthings.

    You ask more politely and I'll respond with: Cause and effect. Just watching and listening to atheists jabber awy and it's easy to hear and see what they are and what they peddle when all of the smug elitism is washed off. You get pettty little people justifying their pitiful little choices.

    Your calculator get something from nothing yet?

    I don't know about you, but this is incredibly fun to me.
     
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  13. stan1980

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    One step at a time. I'm not here to make up answers on how the universe got here, because I don't have good understanding of it. I'm comfortable with that. Now just please answer the question:

    "where did you get it into your mind that all atheists believe that the universe came from nothing?"

    Or can we just assume you made it up, lied if you will, and you are bearing false witness.
     
  14. David Brider

    David Brider Liberal fundamentalist progressive evangelical.

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    It's Christians who believe that the universe was created from nothing - ex nihilo.

    Atheists don't believe there's a supernatural cause for the origins of the universe, but that's not the same as believing that "something came from nothing".

    David.
     
  15. selfinflikted

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    He can't answer you guys' questions, because the only answer is that he's made it up. Obviously, he'll never admit that. The whole 0 x 0 = Atheism nonsense is just that - nonsense. The only thing that unites atheists is their lack of belief in the existence of deities.

    Now hear this, Poly - I am an atheist and I do not know how the universe came to be. Personally, I don't care how it came to be, because it is of little consequence to how I choose to live my life. Now, having said that, can you admit that at least some atheists do not believe in your stupid little equation?
     
  16. Polycarp_fan

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    Oh you hurt me so. I get my view of atheists by how they all rock like bobblehead dolls to the same stimuli.

    What part of nothing creating everything don't you understand?

    You guys don't have enough i o n s on your numbers for nothing to get everything here. Or do you? How many numbers with i o n s on the end of them did it take for nothing to "create" everything?

    0 x 0 = atheism when all is said and done.

    Hmm, a mathematical fact.

    I'm sorry if it causes you cerebral discomfort to hear or see that offered up as the root of all atheism's sandy bottomed assertions.

    I'm sorry pal, a sparrow is not an accident caused by another accident that was a mistake that became something improved out of the accident.

    And humans are worth even more than sparrows.

    Now . . . where'd I hear that before?

    But if you want to believe in atheism, far be it from me to stop you. I can see how angry it makes you when challenged. I'll be going now.
     
  17. Tinker Grey

    Tinker Grey Wanderer

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    0 x 0 = God ... a mathematical fact.
     
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  18. Polycarp_fan

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    To an atheist maybe. Which of course proves that 0 x 0 = atheism.

    The Biblical writers beat you to the punch buhbba.

    God, is "one."

    And they came up with that without a calculator.:wave: Just facts all around them to make the assertion and come up with the correct answer.:cool:

    A mathematical fact. :amen:

    0 is cool but only when it represents a numerical value, and is accompanied by a number causing it to be important. At least that's what my mortgage company keeps telling me monthly.:eek::doh:
     
  19. Polycarp_fan

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    I made up zero? I want my money for the copyright infringements then. I'm thinking my calculator is not mocking me as you are. But it does look like it's mocking you though. Not me, I'm just siding with facts.

    Oh selfinflikted, we both know the club membership has more to it than that. www dot infidels and skeptics sites are far more in-depth than just rote and simplicity.

    Redundant don't you think?

    OK, then please stay out of the way of people that do care about things. Cause and effect is important to many people. Very many people.

    Which ones? you seem to prove the position true.
     
  20. Tinker Grey

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    To a theist, maybe. Which of course proves that 0 x 0 = God.
     
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