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4th March 2004, 12:50 PM
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Reps: 13 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by mhatten Well if it is not sinful per se what is it then, let's not mince words here, which is all I really see.
I don't think I minced words, did I? I said it's unwise. That seems candid enough. Why shouldn't it be encouraged or discouraged for that matter, what difference does it make at all?
It makes a difference because of cultural cohesion and the definition of nationhood. I think biblically speaking, it's pretty clear that racial segregation (not animosity) was begun and used by God, represents the natural "order", if you will, and is a pretty positive thing overall. That said, I'm not condemning anyone who chooses to miscegenate. Again, I'm just concerned about the vilification of those who --for biblically and philosophically sound reasons--oppose it. I'm glad to see that for the most part that doesn't appear to be happening here. |
4th March 2004, 12:54 PM
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Reps: 2,470 (power: 18) | | Originally Posted by Gutierrez I don't think interracial marriage is sinful per se. However, I think in most cases it is probably unwise and shouldn't be encouraged.
Is it unwise because of the way others react or because of something inherent to interracial coupling itself? If the former, why should we discourage interracial marriage rather than the harmful attitudes of others?
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4th March 2004, 01:00 PM
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Reps: 9,371,115,588,921,134 (power: 9,371,115,588,936) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood Why does everything have to be black and white?
LOL...What a hysterical choice of words for a guy who has concerns about a child born of an interracial marriage 
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4th March 2004, 01:01 PM
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Reps: 620,559 (power: 630) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood Please don't use homophobe. It demonstrates ignorance and hatemongering, and the last thing we need is more of that.
I can understand why some people would be against both. Both are against what the Bible preaches. As for me, I have no opinion on the actual interracial marriage. I remain neutral. miscegenation is not a clear abomination as homosexuality is. Nor is it an evolutionary dead-end like homosexuality.
It just might be a bit selfish because no consideration is given to the child(ren), however.
If we could teach people to not deride others who are different, we wouldn't need to worry about the children.
The only reason the children are in danger are becuase of the narrow minded attitudes of everyone else.
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4th March 2004, 01:02 PM
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Reps: 26,771 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by Jonathan David LOL...What a hysterical choice of words for a guy who has concerns about a child born of an interracial marriage
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hahaha.  Aaargh. I totally missed that when I typed it. It is funny with your comments attached. 
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4th March 2004, 01:02 PM
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Reps: 5,366,872,137,174,994 (power: 5,366,872,137,214) | | Originally Posted by Gutierrez I don't think I minced words, did I? I said it's unwise. That seems candid enough.
Unwise, why, how? It makes a difference because of cultural cohesion and the definition of nationhood.
How would that definition fit here in this multicultural nation?
With equality for all which should include Gay marriage. I think biblically speaking, it's pretty clear that racial segregation (not animosity) was begun and used by God, represents the natural "order", if you will, and is a pretty positive thing overall.
I see that as man's influence in the Bible and people just picking up that ball and running with it. It is harldy a natural "order" since we are able to travel and intermingle with ease. That said, I'm not condemning anyone who chooses to miscegenate. Again, I'm just concerned about the vilification of those who --for biblically and philosophically sound reasons--oppose it. I'm glad to see that for the most part that doesn't appear to be happening here.
I don't see any biblically sound reason for opposing it. People thought there were Bibilically sound reasons for slavery.
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4th March 2004, 01:02 PM
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Reps: 2,470 (power: 18) | | Originally Posted by Gutierrez It makes a difference because of cultural cohesion and the definition of nationhood.
1) Culture does not break down nicely and neatly along racial lines. Race does not break down nicely and neatly along cultural lines. Neither one corresponds all that well with genetics.
2) You are conflating the modern and ancient meanings of "nation." I think biblically speaking, it's pretty clear that racial segregation (not animosity) was begun and used by God, represents the natural "order", if you will, and is a pretty positive thing overall. That said, I'm not condemning anyone who chooses to miscegenate.
No, but you do openly disapprove. Again, I'm just concerned about the vilification of those who --for biblically and philosophically sound reasons--oppose it. I'm glad to see that for the most part that doesn't appear to be happening here.
Your philosophical reasons are questionable, at best, and your Biblical reasons are contradicted by some of your own Christian brethren. I hope you have something in reserve.
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4th March 2004, 01:04 PM
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How is that incompatible with the common usage of "homophobia"?
Gone through this before. They are two unique concepts. Even homosexual activists admit this.
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The only reason the children are in danger are becuase of the narrow minded attitudes of everyone else.
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Reps: 5,366,872,137,174,994 (power: 5,366,872,137,214) | | Originally Posted by drfeelgood Gone through this before. They are two unique concepts. Even homosexual activists admit this.
I have two words for you
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and I do not mean the river in Africa!
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