"This slavery of white women to black beasts will bring this nation to a conflict"

Philosoft · #**121** 7th March 2004, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by drfeelgood

That's where the ghey gene comes in. If you don't consciously choose what sex you are attracted to, then the only other assumption is to choose that it's subconscious. How is that achieved? Either by circumstances or a gene. Which side would you like to take?

Can I take the side of hormonal application in utero? Or relative nutrition of the fetus?

In any case, any genetic component for homosexual attraction won't follow Mendelian inheritance, I assure you.

Much like the rest of us? That's also debatable. How do we know that ALL humans aren't born with the attraction to the opposite sex?

Because some people are naturally attracted to the same sex.

We don't, and faulty homosexual science certainly hasn't proven anything to the contrary.

I don't care what the state of "homosexual science" is. Sexual attraction is a far, far, far, far, far more primitive and fundamental than intellect, consciousness, sentience, etc. There is no, no, no, no, no reason whatsoever to even consider the possibility that sexual orientation is now under conscious control.

Blessed75 · #**122** 7th March 2004, 02:23 AM

Originally Posted by mhatten

you cannot state from provable knowledge/sorces that homosexuality is not from birth.

I agree........

LilAngelHeart · #**123** 7th March 2004, 03:55 AM

Whether a person is born gay or not doesn't matter even though I don't believe people are born gay. Being born a certain way doesn't make it right or natural anyway. Someone could be born with a kleptomaniac gene or a tourette syndrome gene, that still doesn't make those activities okay. People are born mentally ill, that doesn't make erratic and crazy behaviour acceptable. Someone born with a gene that makes them want to go out and rob banks that doesn't mean it's okay and acceptable behaviour.

Also just feeling a certain way doesn't mean you have to act on it. Someone with an anger problem may feel anger, that doesn't mean he has to give in to the anger and do wrong things. So the fact that certain feelings are there doesn't mean you have to give in to them. Someone may feel they were born with a fornication gene that makes them feel a need to fornicate and commit adultry all the time, that doesn't make those behaviours right just because that's how they feel. They are still sins.

LilAngelHeart · #**124** 7th March 2004, 04:07 AM

Another thing I wanted to say is that even though I know people are not born gay, for those who think they were born that way, that's why Jesus took all of those hits when they beat Him, by His stripes we are healed. God can heal you physically, mentally and spritually.

Also the Bible says were are all born with a sin nature anyway, but God still expects us to not give in to our flesh and sinful desires in all other areas, so why should that area be the exception for those who think they were "born" that way. When we get saved we are all reborn anyway.

Glacial · #**125** 7th March 2004, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by LilAngelHeart

Whether a person is born gay or not doesn't matter even though I don't believe people are born gay. Being born a certain way doesn't make it right or natural anyway. Someone could be born with a kleptomaniac gene or a tourette syndrome gene, that still doesn't make those activities okay. People are born mentally ill, that doesn't make erratic and crazy behaviour acceptable. Someone born with a gene that makes them want to go out and rob banks that doesn't mean it's okay and acceptable behaviour.

That's nice. One slight problem though, homosexuality isn't a negative attribute, so to speak. Being gay doesn't hurt anyone, or inflict upon anyone else's rights. How you can compare it to a mental illness and keep a straight face really is beyond me.

Also just feeling a certain way doesn't mean you have to act on it. Someone with an anger problem may feel anger, that doesn't mean he has to give in to the anger and do wrong things. So the fact that certain feelings are there doesn't mean you have to give in to them. Someone may feel they were born with a fornication gene that makes them feel a need to fornicate and commit adultry all the time, that doesn't make those behaviours right just because that's how they feel. They are still sins.

Again, you can't compare apples and oranges (sorry, I know that isn't the best analogy, but it's all I could think of at the time :p). There's nothing wrong with anger per say, it's a natural emotion. It's when your anger 'takes hold' and drives you to commit violent acts that it becomes a problem. Again, a violent act brought on by anger hurts someone else, and essentially infringes upon their rights. It hurts others. How does homosexuality affect you? Be honest now, give me one good (non-religious) reason that homosexuality should be in any illegal, or frowned upon.

As for your sins point, that's all very well, but a lot of people don't share your views, as they are purely theological. Since I basically don't believe in the Christian concept of 'sin', the old 'but it's a sin' line has no effect on me, and many others.

By the way, since you're (I assume) basing your 'sin' assertion on the old testament, does this also mean that you have no issue with deity-sanctioned genocide, slavery & murder?

PresidentsAnalyst · #**126** 8th March 2004, 08:49 PM

Rosemary's baby is a great depiction of the underlying psychological motives behind the miscegenistic media.
If you have never seen this movie, you must rent it and watch it. Our world depends on it.

this is what is going on in America on a mass scale. This is a depiction of it in microcosm. watch how Mia Farrow's husband is always suggesting and directing her down the path of 'what's best for Doctor Saperstein'. That is your media.

PresidentsAnalyst · #**127** 8th March 2004, 08:50 PM

it also depicts what the woman is worth, spiritually to them, nothing. They only seek her DNA, she is used like a piece of meat to breed a messiah for them. they hate her, they are just using her.

Yitzchak · #**128** 8th March 2004, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by drfeelgood

I'm not going to offer my opinion on the actual interracial marriage, although they were forbidden in the Bible.

What I will say is will somebody PLEEEEAASE think of the children. haha.

No. It's true. All kidding aside. Nobody bothers to think of them. They don't fit in anywhere and are thus segregated from their peers. They aren't black and they aren't white. Although they might be able to fit in on some superficial level, they don't have anything to call their own and it just isn't fair to them. There is nothing wrong with them as a person per se. I just feel bad for them. One can only hope they can find a group of friends that is willing to look beyond the superficial, which is exceedingly rare up to adulthood.

My Niece is the product on an interracial marriage and she seems to be doing really well. I can understand your point but I disagree that children from interraccial marriages are worse off. My Niece is the least prejudice person that I know. The larger virtues have overcome whatever difficulties there may have been at least in our family.

Yitzchak · #**129** 8th March 2004, 09:15 PM

Originally Posted by drfeelgood

There aren't any. Homosexual rights are not even close to being on par to the struggle the Black people have faced. That is a common misconception that the homosexuals want you to buy into for reasons I won't go into here, other than to say they are hoping to ride in on the coattails of the Black movement.

Obviously, every group fighting for civil rights is going to try to build on the precedents set by the civil rights movement in the past decades. I think a more important question is whether or not civil rights are being violated. I would favor enforcing civil rights for every group.

I will grant you that we live in a day and age where every cause is compared to some great historical struggle or event. The holocaust, 9-11, civil rights, etc. It is a shame that peopel need those types of comparisons and cannot just support a cause on it's own merits. I think the cause of civil rights for every group stands on it's own merits.

SirKenin · #**130** 8th March 2004, 09:21 PM

Originally Posted by Yitzchak

My Niece is the product on an interracial marriage and she seems to be doing really well. I can understand your point but I disagree that children from interraccial marriages are worse off. My Niece is the least prejudice person that I know. The larger virtues have overcome whatever difficulties there may have been at least in our family.

You bring up a good point... They would be the least prejudiced people. They would be the most forgiving, too, if they go through even close to what I suggest they go through. They would certainly have a good opportunity to be the better person because of it