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1st March 2004, 06:22 PM
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Reps: 764 (power: 0) | | | Sadly, -DRA-, as you are aware, many will reject such teaching. They will even reject the words of your post without given it a second glance. But, thumps up with your willingness to do the Will of the Father. That is all we can ask of we in the flesh. |
2nd March 2004, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by - DRA - Of the groups you mentioned, only the Jews were in existence when Jesus walked upon the earth. Jesus said) 5{ My heavenly Father has not planted will be uprooted" (Matt. 15:13). He said this in reference to the Pharisees, a sect of the Jews. In reality, only the Jews that had the faith of Abraham were his true sons (Gal. 3:7).
While it is refreshing to be reminded of the eternal home for the faithful (John 14:1-6), it is sobering to consider that the majority of folks simply won't be there (Matt. 7:13-14) - - not even many folks who claim to follow the Lord (Matt. 7:21-23)!
Judgment is the Lord's business. Teaching the gospel to others is our's (2 Tim. 4:1-4, Heb. 5:12). It is a serious responsibility (James 3:1).
Buddhism has been in existence, as a religion, since the enlightenment of Gautama Buddha in 510 B.C.
Hinduism has been in existence, as a religion, since roughly 4,000 B.C.
Jainism has been in existence, as a religion, since about 3,000 B.D.
Wicca has its roots in Celtic religious rites, dating from about 800 B.C.
And there are more. The point is, you comment, "Of the groups you mentioned, only the Jews were in existence when Jesus walked upon the earth." is patently FALSE. |
2nd March 2004, 01:30 PM
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Reps: 945,962 (power: 0) | | | My point is: fundamentalists LIKE to say the follow an infallible Scripture EXACTLY…
Originally Posted by - DRA - What exactly is your point?
Are you accusing Cougan of taking passages that are not related and putting them together to call for the wrong action? Hopefully, there is another explanation for your post.
Eph. 1:3 says that all spiritual blessings are in Christ, including redemption through His blood (verse 7). That should be enough to warrant some study to determine what is required to put one into Christ.
...but they really don't. Fundamentalists pick and choose which Scriptures they follow, just like everybody else.
Just about anything can be "proven" using the Scriptures -- and a lot of what is "proven" regarding not allowing women to preach, holding slaves (biggie in the 18th and 19th century), polygamy, etc. comes straight out of the Scriptures. |
2nd March 2004, 03:25 PM
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Reps: 2,890,608,320 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by UberLutheran Buddhism has been in existence, as a religion, since the enlightenment of Gautama Buddha in 510 B.C.
Hinduism has been in existence, as a religion, since roughly 4,000 B.C.
Jainism has been in existence, as a religion, since about 3,000 B.D.
Wicca has its roots in Celtic religious rites, dating from about 800 B.C.
And there are more. The point is, you comment, "Of the groups you mentioned, only the Jews were in existence when Jesus walked upon the earth." is patently FALSE.
Good. You are paying attention. At least to some points. You are correct. I spoke hastily - - from a historical perspective. Originally Posted by: UberLutheran
Considering that less than THREE PERCENT of the world's population consists of evangelical, fundamentalist Protestant Christians; and God most likely knew what He was doing when He revealed Himself to all these other people -- Roman Catholics, Anglicans, Orthodox, mainstream Protestants, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. -- I leave the decisions as to "who's saved" and "who qualifies to enter an afterlife" up to HIM, you know?
My concerns would be better expressed from another angle. How do you know that God revealed Himself to all these various religious groups? Does it even make sense to a liberal that God is behind all the various religions - - all with varying teaching on lifestyles that God approves of, where the eternal abode of man will be i.e. Jehovah's Witnesses, and what is required for man to please God and be rewarded?
We have confirmation with the N.T. teachings (John 3:2, Mark 16:20, and Heb. 2:3-4). What confirmation is offered by the other groups that God supports their existence and teaching? |
2nd March 2004, 03:41 PM
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Reps: 2,890,608,320 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by UberLutheran ...but they really don't. Fundamentalists pick and choose which Scriptures they follow, just like everybody else.
Just about anything can be "proven" using the Scriptures -- and a lot of what is "proven" regarding not allowing women to preach, holding slaves (biggie in the 18th and 19th century), polygamy, etc. comes straight out of the Scriptures.
Good. You are honest.
I cannot not speak for what all people do who claim to be fundamentalists, or conservative.
I agree. Anything can be "proven" from the Scriptures - - at least to one's personal satisfaction. Their are those who are determined to "have it their way" in spiritual matters. God actually will help them along in this process (2 Thess. 2:10-12). Others are willing to "twist" the Scriptures - - not seeing the consequences of such action (2 Peter 3:16). Some will even "speak lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron" (1 Tim. 4:2). While we should be aware of these things, we should not follow in the footsteps of such men and women. Rather, we are encouraged to follow in the steps of those who were faithful to the Lord (Heb. chapter 11, 1 Cor. 11:1, and 1 Peter 2:21).
So, do you think that those of us who propose salvation by a faith in Christ that leads one to obey Him are off-track. If so, would you have us follow the road that you are on? Or, should we diligently study together to better understand God's word and seek ways to strengthen ourselves in the faith? |
2nd March 2004, 03:46 PM
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Reps: 2,890,608,320 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Invader Pichu I believe in the same exact God any other Christian believes in. True, the Bible was written by people who were inspired by God, but that doesn't exactally make it 100% God's word. I beliebe God speaks to me, shows me what is right and what is wrong. He would never let me down.
Invader,
What percent of the Scriptures is God's word according to 2 Timothy 3:16?
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2nd March 2004, 05:25 PM
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What percent of the Scriptures is God's word according to 2 Timothy 3:16?
. . . Denny
Well, Denny, it would seem that you have found another of those erroneous passages that we can choose not to believe!!  |
2nd March 2004, 09:29 PM
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Reps: 262,607,594,537,243,968 (power: 262,607,594,537,263) | | Originally Posted by cougan Which God do you trust in? Because the only way you can learn about the one God that I worship is to read about him in the Bible.
Wow -- so God hated Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, David, Paul, and the Twelve, because none of them had the Bible, in the form we have it today at least? I believe in the Living God who Created Heaven and Earth, who sent His only-begotten Son that we should not perish but have everlasting life, who is a real and living Presence today. If you believe in a god whom you can only find in a book, I'd like to tell you about the real God someday!
But you cannot do this because you dont trust in the word of God.
But we do trust in the Word of God, who became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth. |
2nd March 2004, 11:35 PM
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But we do trust in the Word of God, who became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth.
Amen!
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3rd March 2004, 07:39 AM
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Reps: 8,924 (power: 19) | | Originally Posted by - DRA -
My concerns would be better expressed from another angle. How do you know that God revealed Himself to all these various religious groups? Does it even make sense to a liberal that God is behind all the various religions - - all with varying teaching on lifestyles that God approves of, where the eternal abode of man will be i.e. Jehovah's Witnesses, and what is required for man to please God and be rewarded?
If I may put my opinion:
Yes, it does make sense. If God was giraffe's God, He Would Appear as a Giraffe. As I see, God Is So Endelessly Just and Good that he gives his core message to various people, conforming their needs.
There's a loving message on the core of most religions. Love to your neighbour, do charity, pray.
Sometimes we seem to loose ourselves on meaningless details, when the only thing that matters is to Love God Above everything and your neighbour like yourself.
The rest? Pheh, the rest we'll only be sure when we meet the People Up There. | | |
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