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23rd February 2004, 09:21 PM
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Do Theistic Evolutionists believe that Adam and Eve were actual people?
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Reps: 407,430,393,920,795,712 (power: 407,430,393,920,819) | | | Not most of them. Instead, they take Genesis 2-3 as archtypes where Adam and Eve stand for everyone. The names -- Dirt and Hearth in Hebrew -- are strong hints for this.
Some rabbis have speculated that Adam and Eve were the first JEWISH people and therefore created as Genesis 2 states.
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Reps: 1,795,728 (power: 1,807) | | Originally Posted by Bulldog Do Theistic Evolutionists believe that Adam and Eve were actual people?
Some do some don't.
I personaly read it as meaning humans in a generic sense. We in a way are all Adam and Eve and Jesus died for us. |
23rd February 2004, 11:18 PM
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Reps: 2,133 (power: 19) | | Originally Posted by lucaspa Not most of them. Instead, they take Genesis 2-3 as archtypes where Adam and Eve stand for everyone. The names -- Dirt and Hearth in Hebrew -- are strong hints for this.
Some rabbis have speculated that Adam and Eve were the first JEWISH people and therefore created as Genesis 2 states.
Interesting.....
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I believe that as humans evolved we reached a point in which we became "religiously aware". Which was probably around the same time we learned to talk.
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Reps: 29,807,908,674,769,116 (power: 29,807,908,674,784) | | Originally Posted by lucaspa Not most of them. Instead, they take Genesis 2-3 as archtypes where Adam and Eve stand for everyone. The names -- Dirt and Hearth in Hebrew -- are strong hints for this.
Some rabbis have speculated that Adam and Eve were the first JEWISH people and therefore created as Genesis 2 states.
Jup.
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Reps: 407,430,393,920,795,712 (power: 407,430,393,920,819) | | Originally Posted by MagusAlbertus they are the first animals made with souls.
Now, this is interesting. Neither creation story says humans are animals! Genesis 1 does not mention anthing that can be construed as a soul. To get soul in Genesis 1 you have to say that "in his image" means a soul. But as the source of souls, does God have one? If so, who gave it to Him?
Genesis 2 doesn't say animals are without souls. Genesis 2:7 has God forming Adam out of the dust but God has to breathe into Adam so that Adam would live. This is generally what is taken to mean "soul". However, Genesis 2:19 says God formed the animals and birds by the same process -- from the dust. Wouldn't God have to breathe into them too in order to make them live? But if that is the case, then don't animals also have souls?
Magus, your post indicates the amount to which you have accepted science. It is science, not the Bible, that says humans are another type of animal. You are modifying your interpretation of the Bible to fit with science! A small step on the right road, but a step nonetheless.
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24th February 2004, 06:08 PM
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Reps: 907 (power: 0) | | | Well Adam means man, so it's really possible that he's just a metaphor for man. I mean it's a lot like having a main character in a text named "Guy." It's so generic that the text has to be making a point with it. | | |
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