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Old 28th October 2006, 04:41 PM
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We need to eat, and get around, I would suspect. Are you suggesting just the one kind would need balance, and food??? You must be kidding.
So do reptiles, which have one ear bone and three jaw bones. I'll take this as an admission creationism offers no explanation.

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How would that matter? Why would anyone care? What would that have to do with kinds? That seems to be more a feature of how babies develop? Adam had a mouth first, as did all the created kinds anyhow! Looks like it went a little downhill since then.
So, you also cannot answer this one. Look, if you cannot address the simple facts of biology with your "explanation," it just isn't much use.


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Who says those traits are so important? How about animals with souls? Do you know which ones have those? Does that rank a grouping? Or do you just care about anuses!? Get your priorities straight, man. How about eyes? How about sex? I mean who gave you the right to cherry pick anuses, and jaw bones as some great priority of biology???
The fact that these particular traits can be used to group species into taxa.

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Physical bodies do need to eat and dispose of waste, all of the kinds that were created.
That's it?? That is your big case?
It helps if you first try to understand the topic being debated. You are very resistant to this notion however. I can lead you to knowledge, but I cannot make you think.
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So do reptiles, which have one ear bone and three jaw bones.
So, your point is what, that Adam should have been made also like this? To look like a croc?? That is absurd. Why would God create all creatures with the same look, and jaw, etc?? preposterous. Nothing to do with backing up any claim of Granny either.

So, you also cannot answer this one. Look, if you cannot address the simple facts of biology with your "explanation," it just isn't much use.
You look, I don't share your facination with anuses,. and they have nothing whatsoever to do with no creation.

The fact that these particular traits can be used to group species into taxa.
They can be used, yes, as anything else we may like to use. The question is why MUST they, first and foremost, and what does this have to do with the claim that Grannydidit, it could not have been created kinds???? Nothing.
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So, your point is what, that Adam should have been made also like this? To look like a croc?? That is absurd. Why would God create all creatures with the same look, and jaw, etc?? preposterous. Nothing to do with backing up any claim of Granny either.


You look, I don't share your facination with anuses,. and they have nothing whatsoever to do with no creation.


They can be used, yes, as anything else we may like to use. The question is why MUST they, first and foremost, and what does this have to do with the claim that Grannydidit, it could not have been created kinds???? Nothing.
Don't be mad at me that you cannot explain the simple facts of biology using a creationist model. You see, evolution can explain why all chordates are deuterostomes, and why all mammals have three inner ear bones and one lower jaw bone. The only thing you can offer is "god did it." Not much of an explanation, though.
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.. You see, evolution can explain why all chordates are deuterostomes, and why all mammals have three inner ear bones and one lower jaw bone. The only thing you can offer is "god did it." Not much of an explanation, though.
"The mammal middle ear, and only the mammal middle ear, contains 3 bones. The Stapes or (Stirrup), Incus or (Anvil) and the Malleus or (Hammer). Once these bones were part of the lower jaw, but during the early evolution of mammals they changed jobs and became a part of our hearing apparatus instead. "
http://www.earthlife.net/mammals/mammal.html

Can you prove this? I mean, what is the point of simply trying to sound as if you know what you are talking about, when you do not know squat? If you have some nice facts, just present them, as simply as you can, and see what happens to them!
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"The mammal middle ear, and only the mammal middle ear, contains 3 bones. The Stapes or (Stirrup), Incus or (Anvil) and the Malleus or (Hammer). Once these bones were part of the lower jaw, but during the early evolution of mammals they changed jobs and became a part of our hearing apparatus instead. "
http://www.earthlife.net/mammals/mammal.html

Can you prove this? I mean, what is the point of simply trying to sound as if you know what you are talking about, when you do not know squat? If you have some nice facts, just present them, as simply as you can, and see what happens to them!
Here's a pretty picture:

From here: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comd...ermediates_ex2

But that really wasn't my point. From taxonomy we know that all mammals have a single lower jaw bone and three inner ear bones. Evolution offers an explanation why this is true in all mammals, and creationism does not.
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But that really wasn't my point. From taxonomy we know that all mammals have a single lower jaw bone and three inner ear bones. Evolution offers an explanation why this is true in all mammals, and creationism does not.
While reptiles have two inner ear bones and two lower jaw bones. In some reptiles, the lower jaw bone that corresponds to our third ear bone even aids with hearing.
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While reptiles have two inner ear bones and two lower jaw bones. In some reptiles, the lower jaw bone that corresponds to our third ear bone even aids with hearing.
OK, since I already covered the ERV thing here, and no one can touch me on it, it is better to start a thread to finish you off on the other evo topics raised.
Look for 'Worm to Elephant' .
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OK, since I already covered the ERV thing here, and no one can touch me on it,
No you haven't. You have yet to propose a mechanism for ERV's that explains why they are found in a nested hierarchy.
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No you haven't. You have yet to propose a mechanism for ERV's that explains why they are found in a nested hierarchy.
You mean a mechanism still in the present, you won't find that. Only in your dreams.
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You mean a mechanism still in the present, you won't find that. Only in your dreams.
No, you're talking about a mechanism that existed in a different past. What mechanism would that be?
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