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As a matter of fact, we can. Since you have yet to show where the tree of life would break down and since evolution from common ancestry best explains the tree of life, this remains the best possible conclusion.
But they consider it not broke down connecting one form of life to another form, because it looks somewhat the same in some ways, or. 'traits', no? The general idea is good, is what I am saying, as a classification option, but it does not evidence evolution everywhere, only some places. The connections between kinds are not real, and a leap of faith.
ERVs themselves, I think represent something other than a common ancestor, as discussed already here. The so called tree of life, off topic here, but you could not defend the connections, because it was started from created kinds.
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But they consider it not broke down connecting one form of life to another form, because it looks somewhat the same in some ways, or. 'traits', no? The general idea is good, is what I am saying, as a classification option, but it does not evidence evolution everywhere, only some places. The connections between kinds are not real, and a leap of faith.
ERVs themselves, I think represent something other than a common ancestor, as discussed already here. The so called tree of life, off topic here, but you could not defend the connections, because it was started from created kinds.
Again, taxonomy is a science that classifies existing species, not necessarily extinct species. Existing species form a single, nested hierarchy based on shared traits. No need dragging the past into this discussion. You've not expained why this nested heirarchy should be invalidated other than the fact that you don't like it.
Right, we know that you're just using this same past idea to justify your belief that the Bible is inerrant.
No, in no way do you know that, any more than you can tell us what the state of that past was. Your lack of being able to do that does justify the bible, however! It was true as true can be all along.
That makes zero sense.
Actually, if we look at the atomic level cahnges that went on, it seems natural that a small change in atomic number, or etc would change the material into another one. Things close together on the periodic table, are seperated by just this small atomic difference. Like, as I exampled, nitrogen, and carbon.
The basis of the life cycle itself, as I pointed out earlier in this thread depends very much on a certain atomic balance, if you will.
"Nitrogen is a constituent element of all living tissues .." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nitrogen
Again, taxonomy is a science that classifies existing species, not necessarily extinct species. Existing species form a single, nested hierarchy based on shared traits. ...
Right, it is a classification system. As someone admitted, not based on evolution. What exactly is your point on this tree again anyhow??
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Right, it is a classification system. As someone admitted, not based on evolution. What exactly is your point on this tree again anyhow??
The point is that the best explanation for why species form a single, natural, nested hierarchy is common ancestry. A nested hierarchy is a necessary consequence of common ancestry. It is not a necessary consequence of any form of creationism.
No, in no way do you know that, any more than you can tell us what the state of that past was. Your lack of being able to do that does justify the bible, however! It was true as true can be all along.
So, because I can't prove that I am right, you are? That is about the most absurd statement that one could make.
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So, because I can't prove that I am right, you are? That is about the most absurd statement that one could make.
No, because you can't lay any scientific claim on the state of the past, you are only right in your mind! You are no more right than someone else with a claim they cannot back up! You just get in line, with the beliefs. When you pass through school doors, you line up with other beliefs as the one.
Now we simply look at who has the most evidenced , time tested, and solid belief. That is where we are with that here.
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The point is that the best explanation for why species form a single, natural, nested hierarchy is common ancestry. A nested hierarchy is a necessary consequence of common ancestry. It is not a necessary consequence of any form of creationism.
Well, it fits, so you can word it any way you like! What we see is a necessary concequence of creation! Elephants had to come from somewhere, as did whales. We can see that elephants came from other elephants in the past. Way down at the bottom of the tree, we see the kind where it started! How could it fit any better than that!!!!!!!? What seems to be not fitting here, is you backing up that the elephant actually came from a worm!!! That is where we're at there.
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Well, it fits, so you can word it any way you like! What we see is a necessary concequence of creation! Elephants had to come from somewhere, as did whales. We can see that elephants came from other elephants in the past. Way down at the bottom of the tree, we see the kind where it started! How could it fit any better than that!!!!!!!? What seems to be not fitting here, is you backing up that the elephant actually came from a worm!!! That is where we're at there.
Creationism can explain anything. There is nothing that must necessarily follow from the concept of creationism. It can accommodate any hypothetical observation.
Creationism can explain anything. There is nothing that must necessarily follow from the concept of creationism. It can accommodate any hypothetical observation.
Thank you! Then it accomodates the life we see on earth. Nothing you have locks down the evidence as something that is against creation. All you do is also try to accommodate a physical only, material only, present observation of the evidence, man as animals, evo world view.
Amazing you got away with it so long.
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