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Old 31st August 2004, 11:50 PM
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Man as we now know him has been around for about 6000 years. Before that there could have been what has been refered to as human like or humanoids. But not humans as we now know them.


That is obviously not true, and it's been explained to you more times than once, twice, or thrice, so there's really no point going over it again.
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I'm just trying to be clear here, John. Are you saying that those that have genetic disorders suffer from the curse?
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
God created everything, and He created it to be good. But then man and the devil made a mess out of things. If you built a brand new beautiful house and then your teenage son had a wild party and trashed the house, are you going to blame the builder, because the house is trashed?
Ok, please, explain to me how viruses used to be 'good', and how man changed them.

To use your analogy - It's like saying you built a brand new beautiful house, and your teenage son had a wild party, then you come home to find - instead of your house - a nuclear bomb! Now are you going to blame the builder? Because your house is a nuclear bomb? Noo, the idea is retarded to begin with. There is no way your son could have made it into a nuclear bomb, even if he had wanted to.

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This is getting falsified more and more very day. You need to keep up more with the latest research.
Sure. Ok John, show me some of this research. From a journal. That non-coding genes actually do code for proteins.
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Originally Posted by Data
Sure. Ok John, show me some of this research. From a journal. That non-coding genes actually do code for proteins.
You see, that is exactly the problem, you think that all DNA does is make protein. Because so little is known about just what DNA and RNA does. Here is the link you asked for: http://www.cgen.com/news/articles/article110003.html
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Originally Posted by Jimmy The Hand
I'm just trying to be clear here, John. Are you saying that those that have genetic disorders suffer from the curse?
Yes, it is pretty easy to tell the diffence between the remains of historic and pre historic man. The bones of "civilized" man has a lot more diseases in it. Evolutionists have their own explaination for this, but the facts remain the same.
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That is obviously not true, and it's been explained to you more times than once, twice, or thrice, so there's really no point going over it again.
Yes, it has been explained to you more times than once, twice of thrice, so there really is no point in going over it again.
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
Yes, it has been explained to you more times than once, twice of thrice, so there really is no point in going over it again.
John, without ridiculling him (yes I call this parroting riddicule), could you give us any evidence for that statement? Any at all? You know what, I even allow scriptural evidence for a change. I've seenmany responces to your statement before this one and ALL say and prove that humans lived +6000 years ago.
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
You see, that is exactly the problem, you think that all DNA does is make protein. Because so little is known about just what DNA and RNA does. Here is the link you asked for: http://www.cgen.com/news/articles/article110003.html
Success! Actually - I read that same article last year. But notice that I did actually ask about non-coding genes coding for proteins, not regulatory functions of said introns. No matter!
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
Yes, it has been explained to you more times than once, twice of thrice, so there really is no point in going over it again.
Psychological projection.

Your claim has been disproved numerous times on this forum. Humans have lived in sedentary civilizations, using language, domesticated animals and plants for more than 6000 years. There's no reason to pretend otherwise.
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Originally Posted by Mistermystery
John, without ridiculling him (yes I call this parroting riddicule), could you give us any evidence for that statement? Any at all? You know what, I even allow scriptural evidence for a change. I've seenmany responces to your statement before this one and ALL say and prove that humans lived +6000 years ago.
Ok, lets try something different. I will give you the perspective from theistic evolution, sense your not going to accept creationism anyways.

Genesis 2:7-8
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.
[8] The Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden, and there He put the man whom He had formed.


Now according to theistic evolution, there is no referance to time here. We only know that God formed man out of the ground, out of the elements of the earth. It could have taken God 64 million years, but when he was done, he took the man and put him in the garden.

This is where we find Adam, 6000 years ago, in the Garden of Eden. God was creating a new earth. He was going to start with Eden, and then Eden was going to expand and fill the whole earth.

Of course we know that something went wrong, and God had to restore things back to His origional plan. This work of redemption has taken 6000 years and we have another 1000 years to go.

So, 1000 years from now, everything will be restored. The earth will be as God intended it to be. There will be no pain, misery, suffering or sorrow. The animals will no longer devour one another. All of God's creation will abide together on this earth in peace and in harmony.
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