Richard and Mildred Loving had the right to marry someone of their respective races but not the right to marry each other.
You would claim that the laws preventing the legal recognition of their marriage was not discrimination because they had to right to marry someone else (but not each other)
Unlike Race which is a trait we are born with- homosexuality is a chosen mode of behaviour. Perhaps the State should not spend time and resources tracking down people who indulge in this self-destructive activity, but neither should the State twist the institution of Marriage to accomodate their need for enhanced self-esteem either.
Unlike Race which is a trait we are born with- homosexuality is a chosen mode of behaviour.
Proof that homosexuality is a chosen orientation?
Originally Posted by mikefromwichita
Perhaps the State should not spend time and resources tracking down people who indulge in this self-destructive activity, but neither should the State twist the institution of Marriage to accomodate their need for enhanced self-esteem either.
It's about self-esteem? I thought it was about receiving the recognition of the government so that things we take for granted--the mechanics of inheritance, tax laws, adoptions, insurance, housing, hospital visitation rights, etc.--could be secured for committed couples.
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Unlike Race which is a trait we are born with- homosexuality is a chosen mode of behaviour. Perhaps the State should not spend time and resources tracking down people who indulge in this self-destructive activity, but neither should the State twist the institution of Marriage to accomodate their need for enhanced self-esteem either.
As a bisexual, I can tell you with the upmost certainty that homosexuality and bisexuality are not choosen "lifestyles". There are many factors they can cause homosexuality, but choice is not one of them.
Not only that, but the notion that homosexuality is a choice is illogical, extremely biggoted and hateful, and is in direct conflict with what science has shown us about sexual oreintation over the past 30 years.
Perhaps you should actually try to learn a thing or 2 about homosexuality before trying to debate it.
Unlike Race which is a trait we are born with- homosexuality is a chosen mode of behaviour. Perhaps the State should not spend time and resources tracking down people who indulge in this self-destructive activity, but neither should the State twist the institution of Marriage to accomodate their need for enhanced self-esteem either.
The actuality is Race is not a trait we were born with, Race is a concept created to support the doctrine that if you were different than you were inferior. In early history people were identifed by their place of origin NOT there ethnicity which is the trait we are born with.
Who decided that homosexuality is self-destructive, heterosexuals who demonize and hate.
The state is not twisitng the institution of marriage it should be living up to the promise of the constituion of "pursuit of hapiness" which includes marrying the partner of your choice.
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As is recounted by an aquaintance of mine, "I know many former homosexuals. I don't know any former black persons."
But lest we do overstate the case: intervention simply is not effective for many with homosexual predispositions.
Did you hear that, Christians?
Sexual predisposition is just a matter for the problem of evil, and while a very unfortunate matter, not a matter of great consequence for the problem of evil.
Because nature is so twisted, and we being the products of nature, barring a miracle of God many homosexual predispositions simply will not be changed.
Thus, we must pray for their souls and watch anxiously for God to do a work in them. But if it is not God's will to do that work in them, then we must do all that we can to strengthen them for that final hope that parting of the twisted nature, them of hope having struggled continually against it, may be saved on that last day if in their heart of hearts they are God's.
But this mustn't lead us to capitulation! There is no hope but they are convicted of their sins and exchange pride over God for struggle under Him.
[/color]Do you have any actual reason other than personal prejudice why a group of law abiding citizens should be excluded from the 14th amendment?
Law abiding citizens are excluded from teh 14th amendment regularly and I hear no outcry because it doesn't fit into the leftis agenda. Some people pay 10% less for movie theater tickets based solely on age, a blatant form of discrimination. Some people get gov't payments for not raising pigs or growing crops while I also do not raise pigs or grow crops and receive nothing. Some people who don't even speak our common language, English, receive free medical care at the gov't's expense, while I have to provide for my own medical care. There are even people who are not citizens and have never paid into the Social Security system who receive Social Security benefits while I paid in all my life and receive none. So refusing a privilege to people who behave in a manner that is disgusting to many (probably most) of us is not such a big deal.
The actuality is Race is not a trait we were born with, Race is a concept created to support the doctrine that if you were different than you were inferior. In early history people were identifed by their place of origin NOT there ethnicity which is the trait we are born with.
Who decided that homosexuality is self-destructive, heterosexuals who demonize and hate.
The state is not twisitng the institution of marriage it should be living up to the promise of the constituion of "pursuit of hapiness" which includes marrying the partner of your choice.
For some, the pursuit of happiness includes pedophilia, zoophilia, ploygamy, and even cannibalism. We just experienced a case of 2 consenting adults agreeing for one to cannibalize the other. By your logic, that should be perfectly acceptable under the pursuit of happiness. A line must be drawn and I say it should be drawn to exclude the sanctioning of homosexual marriage.
For some, the pursuit of happiness includes pedophilia, zoophilia, ploygamy, and even cannibalism. We just experienced a case of 2 consenting adults agreeing for one to cannibalize the other. By your logic, that should be perfectly acceptable under the pursuit of happiness. A line must be drawn and I say it should be drawn to exclude the sanctioning of homosexual marriage.
Of course you fail the logic test because a pedophile does not have a partner who chooses to be with them nor does zoophilia, polygamy is another issue entirely which would require a massive over haul of our legal system to support, and those cannibals from Germany what they have to do with this issue is the same as what they have to do with the price of rice in China (nothing and that is my point) I don't know.
The pursuit of hapiness if one no knows anything at all about individual rights, can only be pursued to the point where you are not hurting/harming another human being or species which clearly throws out your arguments regarding pedophilia; cannabalism; and zoophlia.
These are old and tired comparisons that reveal the limited reasonings of those using them to support denying certain citizens the rights they deserve.
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In the USA legal system the burden of proof is to show that an action was compulsive rather than voluntary.
Take a look at the number of Hollywood types in the past five years who one day come out as gay (and of course from childhood KNEEW themselves to be gay) to aid their pathetic careers and then a year later its oopsie false alarm.
To claim that sexual orientation is an inborn trait, you need to demonstarte that the proportion of homosexuals has been about the same in all times and places. Lotsa luck.
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