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5th April 2002, 03:39 PM
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Reps: 16,995 (power: 44) | | Maybe not YOUR reasoning, but it's makes perfect sense under a secular light. The universe is about 15 billion years old. Our solar system is estimated to be 5-6 billion years old. So life could have arisen in a solar system 5-10 billion years before ours. So, yes, it would have a heck of a head start.
I think the important difference between this and your first statement is that life COULD be older on other planets, but in your first statement you said it PROBABLY is older. You can't say for sure when that life, if any, originated, unless and until you encounter that life.
And with the limits that science currently has, you might not even know then. Carbon dating as we know it would only work on items originating on earth, since it depends on known ratios of the different isotopes of carbon. On other planets, those isotopes are likely to be in different ratios, thus rendering carbon dating useless until those ratios are quanitified with certainty.
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5th April 2002, 03:49 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Carbon dating as we know it would only work on items originating on earth, since it depends on known ratios of the different isotopes of carbon. On other planets, those isotopes are likely to be in different ratios, thus rendering carbon dating useless until those ratios are quanitified with certainty.
Yes the age-old creationist stand-by....uncertainty exists in certain dating techniques so all dating techniques are assumed to be faulty and thrown out. Well it won't work this time. Why? The answer lies in sunlight. The sun is merely a fusion reactor which synthesizes helium and heavier elements from hydrogen. The solar spectra gives solar astronomers the current ratios of heavier element relative to hydrogen and the rate of conversion is also obtainable from net solar fluxes and the generation of exotic particles such as neutrinos. The solar system is ~4.5 billion years old because that is how long the sun has been effectively fusing hydrogen into helium. Of course you will refuse to read the journals and textbooks which investigate solar physics but that is to be anticipated. I could almost write the creationist rebuttal to this post - that is how predictable their arguments are.
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5th April 2002, 03:56 PM
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Reps: 34,130,985,877,747,372 (power: 34,130,985,877,766) | | | It matter not how old the earth is, it is not a rebuttal to creationism. There are too many Christians holding this like it is the only proof they have. Gap theory- check it out. The age of the earth is by no means a way of testing the validity of the Chrsitian God.
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5th April 2002, 04:08 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | Carry on, Ronin. Why don't you just have the whole argument with yourself? Obviously, no one else could possibly be as intelligent as you... That is what you're saying, is it not? You believe in God? I wonder if He's impressed with your psychotic babble... You should try to teach Him quantum mechanics when (if) you see Him. |
5th April 2002, 04:17 PM
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Let us show them the power of God's love, and not the faults of human anger. Please act as an example of Christ and refrain from the attacks.
I pray that God will use you as an instrument to reach and witness to the people on this board.
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5th April 2002, 04:19 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Amen!  Originally posted by StogusMaximus
It makes plenty of sence.
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;" Proverbs 3:5
If we rely totally on the Lord, we do not need our own understanding to survive.
Maybe the life on other planets have given themselves over completely to the Lord and do not need the crutch of science. |
5th April 2002, 05:24 PM
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Did you ever take a stab at the Drake Equation? When I run it, even allowing for the pessimism of more recent findings, I still wind up with intelligent races in this galaxy running into the thousands.
Hmm... thousands of alien races out there? Wonder what their thoughts on God might be... |
5th April 2002, 07:18 PM
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On that day I will become an official Q'zar'ar'tan (the OBVIOUS name these Aliens will have). |
5th April 2002, 07:21 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Carry on, Ronin. Why don't you just have the whole argument with yourself? Obviously, no one else could possibly be as intelligent as you... That is what you're saying, is it not? You believe in God? I wonder if He's impressed with your psychotic babble... You should try to teach Him quantum mechanics when (if) you see Him.
You are more than welcome to pose an argument that counters mine. I welcome it. Otherwise, there is little point this antagonism. My intent is to examine and discuss this issue...nothing more. If I have been blunt then I apologize. My style of discourse may appear hostile but, in reality, I am really amiable compared to my colleagues. I certainly am not an "expert" when it comes to any field of endeavor and fully recognize my limitations. In fact, I compare my intelligence to that of a container of low fat cottage cheese....well maybe a good quality cottage cheese. 
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5th April 2002, 07:26 PM
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Oh so you are one them snobby Q'zar'ar'tan! Well Mr. Fancy Pants, I am 'Xnalt'to'qos! How do you like them apples?  
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