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20th February 2004, 01:59 PM
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Reps: 411 (power: 0) | | | ATTN: Creationists -- the twin nested hierarchy of taxa I've been having an email discussion with tyreth regarding evolution and the evidence for/against it. I am currently awaiting a reply regarding the twin nested hierarchy observed in biological taxa, but I'd also like to get the comments of other creationists here about this particular piece of evidence. Specifically, it is so astoundingly statistically significant that I must confess I am at a loss as to how anyone can doubt common descent after examining this evidence.
So... what is the YEC response to the twin nested heirarchy of species? Is there one, or is this piece of evidence simply ignored, or attributed to God just happening to create species in such a way that they appear obviously to have common ancestry? If God did this deliberately, why would he do that? Is he just out to deceive us? This hierarchy is so incredibly unlikely that it could never have been created accidentally -- so if God did that, he did it on purpose. On the other hand, common descent practically requires the development of a twin nested heirarchy, due to its very nature (in fact, if the twin nested hierarchy did not exist, that in itself would be pretty convincing evidence that evolution did not happen).
(I am assuming, since this is an evolution forum here, that all you folks know what the twin nested hierarchy is without the need for me to write a long post explaining it in depth. If not, let me know and I'll explain it to the best of my ability.) | 
20th February 2004, 02:00 PM
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20th February 2004, 02:02 PM
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20th February 2004, 02:03 PM
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Reps: 411 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Jet Black could you tell us plz 
Oh come on, I KNOW you know this. Don't you? Ok, ok, I'll explain it, but you'll have to wait a bit, I'm doing a project at work... I'll post an explanation in about half an hour. | 
20th February 2004, 02:03 PM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | | I would hazard a guess that it is related to the morhological/fossil organisation of taxa, and chromosomal/molecular organisation of taxa.
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20th February 2004, 02:04 PM
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Reps: 77 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Mekkala If God did this deliberately, why would he do that? Is he just out to deceive us
I still never understood why this would make him deceiving. | 
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20th February 2004, 02:06 PM
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20th February 2004, 02:10 PM
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Thanks! | 
20th February 2004, 02:20 PM
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Reps: 77 (power: 0) | | | I think the same arguments are still going to be made both sides. I don't think this really changes anything....Maybe I understand incorrectly, but I think it's saying that we see a flow "genetic" traits that appear parallel to morphology. So that even though another gene could step into have the same function, we see a linear progression of that code through the chain of species. |  | | | Thread Tools | | | | Display Modes | Linear Mode | | | |