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20th February 2004, 11:19 AM
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Ok, I had to edit this and repost something... I mispoke but thanks for saying the same thing over and over again.
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20th February 2004, 11:23 AM
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Reps: 142 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by SacredLight Can I take a glass box sealed air tight and have that box create complex organisms, which evole into humans??
or for that matter will that box have a Complex Universe created insided of it?
I see evolutionist telling why things are how they are but never giving any proof of how they got here.
I'm tired of watching baby christians be torn apart of this forum by Atheist and Evolutionist who spit out "facts" and "truths", when you guys cant tell me how the material came about to support your theory!
So where did it all come from?? Can I take a glass box sealed air tight and have that box create complex organisms, which evole into humans??
If you have something in the region of 1 billion years to wait... ohh but thats right the anti evolutionists think the universe is only 7000 years old.
Great, ok you believe what you like while I laugh.
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20th February 2004, 11:23 AM
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Secondly, human aren't a goal, so if we hit RESET on the earth there's an over-whelming chance we wouldn't exist.
Thirdly, evolution deals with the origin of species, not the origin of life. That is a separate theory.
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20th February 2004, 11:27 AM
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You need to be able to explain the origin of life. Can you do that?? If you have something in the region of 1 billion years to wait... ohh but thats right the anti evolutionists think the universe is only 7000 years old.
Hahaha... A billion year, eh? I know for sure the something does not come out of nothing.. so try again. |
20th February 2004, 11:31 AM
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The standing Theisitc view of the origin of life that leads to evolution is
God created the conditions for life to originate.
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20th February 2004, 11:33 AM
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You need to be able to explain the origin of life. Can you do that??
Hahaha... A billion year, eh? I know for sure the something does not come out of nothing.. so try again.
What are you chatting about? You need to be able to explain the origin of life. Can you do that??
You cant either without resorting to fairy tales about Adam and Eve. Hahaha... A billion year, eh?
Give or take. I know for sure the something does not come out of nothing.. so try again.
I dont need to try again, because you haven't proved or disproved my case all you have done is spout some cheap rhetoric, so you try again.
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20th February 2004, 11:41 AM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | First of all, Evolution has nothing to do with the origins of life. It is only the mechanism by which change occurs.
Secondly, it would take quite a lot of space and time to fully explain the possible ways in which life could have formed. You assume that what we got was some soup that formed what we know today as bacteria. I'm sure there would be some similarities in structure but probably only genetically or in some manner of plasma membrane. Since all of the chemicals that make up your cells are present in nature in some form or another it is not ridiculous to suppose they could have formed simple structures. To my knowledge self-replicating proteins have been produced in the lab. These proteins would form in nature not out of desire but out of a simple chemical reaction. Initially what we would have is a psuedo-organism that probably wouldn't be classified as living. Viruses for instance, are classified as non-living even though they possess life-like characteristics such as replication through the take over of a host cell. They have a protein super-structure but don't eat anything. Now, early organisms wouldn't be viruses or act in the same manner because all viruses need host cells. I would assume that these early organisms would at some point develop a sort of plasma membrane out of their protein super-structure. It is thought that initially mitochondria and chloroplasts were absent from early cells and functioned on their own. They have a single loop of DNA and arise from pre-existing mitochondria or chloroplasts. The cell we see today formed from a symbiotic relationship that eventually incorporated these "power structures".
I'm not a cell biologist nor do I work in this type of field so any knowledge I have has been taken from my years in school. I'll leave it up to someone else to give a detailed account, show that I'm wrong or provide links to a site that explains it.  |
20th February 2004, 12:11 PM
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Reps: 41 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by SacredLight If Evolution is correct then tell me....
This should be fun, I'm going to guess that you don't know what evolution actually is. This is just a hunch, or a hypothesis that will be tested by the rest of your questions: Originally Posted by SacredLight Can I take a glass box sealed air tight and have that box create complex organisms, which evole into humans??
The first question out of the box involves abiogenesis and a total slander of evolutionary theory. Originally Posted by SacredLight or for that matter will that box have a Complex Universe created insided of it?
The second question confuses cosmology with biology. Originally Posted by SacredLight I see evolutionist telling why things are how they are but never giving any proof of how they got here.
Proof is for math and alcohol. If you search the forums you will see plenty of evidence which backs up evolution. Originally Posted by SacredLight I'm tired of watching baby christians be torn apart of this forum by Atheist and Evolutionist who spit out "facts" and "truths", when you guys cant tell me how the material came about to support your theory!
Would you rather them spit out lies like the creationists? Originally Posted by SacredLight So where did it all come from??
The final question is also not a question for evolutionary theory.
So, my initial hypothesis has turned out to be correct, at least in this case.
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20th February 2004, 12:14 PM
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Reps: 41 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by SacredLight LOL.
You need to be able to explain the origin of life. Can you do that??
Hahaha... A billion year, eh? I know for sure the something does not come out of nothing.. so try again.
It's funny that you don't even have the slightest clue that people who accept evolutionary theory do not need to explain the origin of life. 
Do people who accept gravity have to explain to us how the origin of life came to be as well?
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20th February 2004, 12:36 PM
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Reps: 154 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by SacredLight Can I take a glass box sealed air tight and have that box create complex organisms, which evole into humans??
not theory of evolution or for that matter will that box have a Complex Universe created insided of it?
not theory of evolution I see evolutionist telling why things are how they are but never giving any proof of how they got here.
because the evidence is complicated and there is so much of it. It is there. Go to NCBI (google NCBI) goto site . enter evolution. stand back as >100,000 papers are listed. just from about 1965, and only in life sciences I'm tired of watching baby christians be torn apart of this forum by Atheist and Evolutionist who spit out "facts" and "truths", when you guys cant tell me how the material came about to support your theory!
if they had anything of evidence, then they wouldn't be torn apart.If you want the evidence it is there, although i am sure all the creatiuonists websites say otherwise... So where did it all come from??
If you really want the full story, then start with a thread on abiogenesis. we will explain it all if you would like.
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