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20th February 2004, 03:30 PM
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Reps: 41 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Jet Black This would go in my sig if it wasn't already full!
I wish I could claim credit for it. Heck, I'd settle with knowing who to give credit to.
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Reps: 16 (power: 0) | | | First of all, an answer to your question on the origin of life. God did it, theres something called theistic evolution... However evolution doesn't involve how we first got her (thats pure chemistry), evolution is simply how populations of creatures change over time. It doesn't involve anything about stones (geology), islands (geography), radioactive decay (physics) or the existance of a god (theology). It's simply how natural selection weeds out negative mutations from our DNA (the blueprint of our body) and favours the god ones (ie running faster means that your less likely to be eaten by lion, therefor would anyone carrying a mutation making you faster (for example by causing a higher number of mithocondrias in your muscle cells) have a better chance of surving and thus pass on their DNA to the next generation. | 
20th February 2004, 03:32 PM
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Reps: 41 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by lucaspa No. Big Bangs do not happen in an existing universe.
This is almost completely off-topic, but couldn't a big bang type even happen in an existing universe? I'll admit my astronomy knowledge blows, but the big bang was the result of a singularity-right? Aren't singularities what are at the 'heart' (so to speak) of black holes?
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20th February 2004, 03:35 PM
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by Meatros This is almost completely off-topic, but couldn't a big bang type even happen in an existing universe? I'll admit my astronomy knowledge blows, but the big bang was the result of a singularity-right? Aren't singularities what are at the 'heart' (so to speak) of black holes?
the nature of the Big Bang singularity is different.
note though that I think the ekpyrotic model seems much more convincing. Rather than universes being born from some nasty singularity, they are born from extreme flatness.
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20th February 2004, 04:07 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | RE: the origin of life (as all other points have been beaten to death). IT is chemistry as has been said, but let me give you a little tid bit. First of all, as the earth was created, massive energy was involved, so ENORMOUS thunderstorms swept over the earth (the likes of which we have never seen). Now, the energy released from the lightning served as energy to drive chemical reactions (I won't get into this more cause if you don't know that energy is needed for endergonic reactions (such as ones needed to assemble organic molecules). Now, this went on for millions of years, all over the earth, which numbers of molecules almost incomprehensible to the human mind. You know the million monkies with a million typewriters? take that, but on a MUCH larger scale. These organic molecules created by the energy release randomly bumped into each other. And eventually nucleotides were formed (the basis of DNA and life) and by its nature, it is self replicating.
Basically with lightning driving the reactions, organic molecules were formed, and basic BASIC life was made. This life lived off of other organic molecules at first. Then, some started living off of other life (photosynthesis came later) from there, evolution takes over, and we go from bacteria to human in one fell swoop (or was it a billion years... I can never remember...) | 
20th February 2004, 04:18 PM
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20th February 2004, 04:21 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | | true forerunner, but I am trying to keep it as simple as possible. Less people would assosiate geo-thermal vents with energy for reactions then lightning. ZZZZZZAP! | 
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Reps: 406,903,328,345,094,208 (power: 406,903,328,345,118) | | Originally Posted by Meatros This is almost completely off-topic, but couldn't a big bang type even happen in an existing universe? I'll admit my astronomy knowledge blows, but the big bang was the result of a singularity-right? Aren't singularities what are at the 'heart' (so to speak) of black holes?
Altho the Big Bang was a singularity due to the concentration of mass, that's not all it was. Remember, at the BB all space was infinitely small, too, while black holes exist in a very large spacetime.
I don't see how you could introduce a new spacetime into an existing spacetime. One of the consequences of ekpyrotic is that, when the branes collide, you don't get a new BB in the existing branes, but each universe is destroyed and you start with a new spacetime.
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