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20th February 2004, 01:47 PM
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Reps: 406,903,328,345,094,208 (power: 406,903,328,345,118) | | Originally Posted by SacredLight Can I take a glass box sealed air tight and have that box create complex organisms, which evole into humans??
No. You need a solution of amino acids, a sun, a rock, and then a little rain.
or for that matter will that box have a Complex Universe created insided of it?
No. Big Bangs do not happen in an existing universe.
I see evolutionist telling why things are how they are but never giving any proof of how they got here.
For life from non-life, start here and I can go into more details -- a lot more if you want -- whenever you are ready.
http://www.theharbinger.org/articles/rel_sci/fox.html
I'm tired of watching baby christians be torn apart of this forum by Atheist and Evolutionist who spit out "facts" and "truths", when you guys cant tell me how the material came about to support your theory!
Theories have boundaries. There is no theory that covers everything. Evolution explains the diversity of life on the planet. It doesn't try to explain how life got here to begin with. Just as gravity explains the attraction of matter in the universe; it doesn't pretend to tell you how a universe got here to begin with.
EVOLUTION IS NOT ATHEISM. Evolutionists and atheists are not the same people. There are evolutionists who are atheists, but their atheism comes from outside evolution. Evolution doesn't support atheism.
Of course, you could always come over to the Christians Only Forum, but creationism doesn't fare any better there than here. 
So where did it all come from??
I had a thread around here somewhere giving all the hypotheses for First Cause -- where it all came from. Maybe someone has that reference. The latest Discover magazine has one of those hypotheses -- ekpyrotic -- featured in the current issue. You might find it helpful.
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Reps: 406,903,328,345,094,208 (power: 406,903,328,345,118) | | Originally Posted by SacredLight Hahaha... A billion year, eh? I know for sure the something does not come out of nothing.. so try again.
I'm sorry, but you don't know that at all. All the First Law says is that, within the universe, matter is neither created nor destroyed, but changes form. That Law doesn't apply to getting a universe.
Within the universe, you get matter popping into existence all the time from the "nothing" of vacuum. They are called virtual particles.
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and no, the glass box wont create a new universe inside because its conditions do not simulate before the big bang, as before the big bang spacetime as we know it did not exist. and no matter where you go with the box, its still in spacetime.
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by lucaspa I had a thread around here somewhere giving all the hypotheses for First Cause -- where it all came from. Maybe someone has that reference. The latest Discover magazine has one of those hypotheses -- ekpyrotic -- featured in the current issue. You might find it helpful.
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Reps: 154 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by SacredLight Can I take a glass box sealed air tight and have that box create complex organisms, which evole into humans??
I did this experiment and now have a glass box with a little God inside. I really don't know what to do with the thing.
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Get him in a test tube and have him design something. |
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Hooray! The long awaited scientific proof of Goddidit! 
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Reps: 406,903,328,345,094,208 (power: 406,903,328,345,118) | | Originally Posted by notto Get him in a test tube and have him design something.
Better yet, put him in one test tube, add hydrogen and oxygen and a spark, and see if it combusts. Then compare to another test tube without the god.
Oh, drat. Doesn't work. Forgot, the other test tube may still have God in it even tho it doesn't have the little god in it.
Notto, we all know intelligent beings can design and manufacture. That isn't the issue. The issue is that Darwinian selection is an unintelligent process that will also get design.
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Reps: 411 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by SacredLight Can I take a glass box sealed air tight and have that box create complex organisms, which evole into humans??
Certainly not. Good thing evolutionary theory doesn't say anything of the sort. Originally Posted by SacredLight or for that matter will that box have a Complex Universe created insided of it?
Certainly not. Good thing evolutionary theory doesn't say anything of the sort. Originally Posted by SacredLight I see evolutionist telling why things are how they are but never giving any proof of how they got here.
I suggest you go and read my thread regarding the twin nested hierarchy. That, in my opinion, is one of the most convincing proofs of evolution. If you disagree, feel free to post a rebuttal. Originally Posted by SacredLight I'm tired of watching baby christians be torn apart of this forum by Atheist and Evolutionist who spit out "facts" and "truths", when you guys cant tell me how the material came about to support your theory!
Does this really happen? That's quite odd, since evolutionary theory says nothing about whether or not Christianity is true. I wonder how it could have such an effect? Seems to me a bit like saying that the claim that the earth is flat tears apart baby Christians... but perhaps I'm just a bit slow. Originally Posted by SacredLight So where did it all come from??
That's what evolutionary theory attempts to explain.  | | |
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