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I expect you to defend your hypothesis. If you can't, then admit it's a load of cr@p. Again, how did the brachiopods get up onto the continental land masses really quickly so that they could be fossilised first?.
By sudden moving water filled with lime muds.
You mean God picked them up and put them on the continental land masses, or what?
They probably could not fight against the flow of the water.
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The tree stumps are also surrounded by algal domes, This shows that even if the trees were transported there would have to be a long period of time to accumulate a large mass of algae. Some of the trees are well enough preserved to enable the counting of tree rings, a maximum of 109 were counted in a single tree - was there a 100 year gap during the flood to allow the tree to grow?
Yeah, we all know algal domes did not exist before the flood, so trees could not possibly have them.
I have seen a lot of YECs try to bluster there way out of the Hawiian Island chain evidence but never seen one succeed. Have at it. http://www.christianforums.com/t35581
Only if you stop linking things and allow me to address one at a time.
You are completely missing the point. If the earth is not old how do you cram all these massive impacts, the supervolcano eruptions and the outflowing of all the lava in the large igneous provinces into a few thousand years and not only not extinguish human life but have nobody even notice? http://www.christianforums.com/t50702 http://www.christianforums.com/t94596
Volcanic eruptions are not an issue. They occurred during the flood. But what else do we have? fossilized meteor impacts?
I won't hold my breath.
Please don't if I am going to have to make these big long posts, and you keep linking other things.
Since you brought up fossil fish how about trace fossils.
If you would allow for God's Miraculous intervention to bring the animals to the ark, God's miraculous intervention to tell Noah he will flood the earth, and God's Miraculous intervention in actually doing so... why is this even an issue?
More later from your friendly neighborhood creationist...
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The tree stumps are also surrounded by algal domes, This shows that even if the trees were transported there would have to be a long period of time to accumulate a large mass of algae. Some of the trees are well enough preserved to enable the counting of tree rings, a maximum of 109 were counted in a single tree - was there a 100 year gap during the flood to allow the tree to grow?
Yeah, we all know algal domes did not exist before the flood, so trees could not possibly have them.
Yes, they could, but the Flood would have washed them off. The algal domes are not strongly attached to the trees.
Only if you stop linking things and allow me to address one at a time.
If you would allow for God's Miraculous intervention to bring the animals to the ark, God's miraculous intervention to tell Noah he will flood the earth, and God's Miraculous intervention in actually doing so... why is this even an issue?
Because now you are making things up the Bible doesn't talk about. Yes, the Bible talks about Noah bringing the animals to the Ark, but nothing about anything miraculous God does. Also, God doesn't perform any miracle to cause the Flood, just opens the gates and lets the waters above the earth come down and the waters below come up. No miraculous creating of water, just opening gates. Finally, there is no mention of what happens to the animals after the Flood. No saying that God miraculously moved them to their new locations. They are all with Noah at the landing site.
So, if you allow the miraculous, you have just destroyed an inerrant and infallible Bible. Which, of course, is the whole point of invoking the Flood to begin with! To preserve an inerrant and infallible Bible of a young earth.
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But sharks and the other bony fishes are in the same ecological zone: the deep ocean.
Not if it was covered in sediment.
If the poop is on the surface, it gets rained on before any sediments deposit, doesn't it? After all, the flood waters did not rise instantly, it rained for 40 days and nights. So, they are dissolved before any sediments can get to them.
Also, remember that the sediments are in water. Before sediments can be deposited, the surface has to be covered with water. Either way the poop dissolves.
__________________ "If sound science appears to contradict the Bible, we may be sure that it is our interpretation of the Bible that is at fault." Christian Observer, 1832, pg. 437
"Christians should look on evolution simply as the method by which God works." Rev. James McCosh, theologian and President of Princeton, 1890
you're not getting it. If the poop is covered with sediment, it is protected from disolving. Then after the water evaporates it dries and cracks, or it could have been cracked before, and just been covered with sediment which still would have been protected from the water.
What you are forgetting is that this poop was supposedly deposited on top of thousands of feet of sediments supposedly deposited by this same flood, in many cases so it wasn't dried out before the flood, unless the flood water somehow picked it up, kept it dry and then deposited it on top of other flood deposits. How would that work?
Just regurgitating an AiG page that doesn't even address the specific features of a thread falsifying the flood won't do you much good and in any case the AiG page is full of nonsense about fossil forests in general.
Why don't you just read about it (ecological zoning) and find out?
I have read about ecological zoning which is why I know it is total unadulterated nonsense of the first order to try to use ecological zoning to explain the fossil record.
Volcanic eruptions are not an issue. They occurred during the flood.
If all those volcanic eruptions occured during a year they would have extinguished life on earth due to the SO2 and CO2 released. http://home.entouch.net/dmd/acid.htm
But what else do we have? fossilized meteor impacts?
A large number of very large craters and no one even noticed them hitting is what we have.
Only if you stop linking things and allow me to address one at a time.
If you have a refutation of a specific thread why not bump it and discuss it on the thread rather than trying to address everything here? Do you hope that if you keep the discussion scattered enough your total lack of logic and substance will not be noticed?
The fossil record in general is not a problem.
The fossil record totally falsifies the flood myth. You have no explanation the organization of fossils http://christianforums.com/t42599
or the existence of trace fossils http://www.christianforums.com/t63670
and neither does any other YEC. Differential escapability, hydrodynamic sorting and ecological zoning have all been tried separately and in combination and they all fail miserably.
(regarding biogeography) If you would allow for God's Miraculous intervention to bring the animals to the ark, God's miraculous intervention to tell Noah he will flood the earth, and God's Miraculous intervention in actually doing so... why is this even an issue?
Did you even read the thread? It was addressing how the animals got back to places they have prexisting fossil records after the flood and why other animals that came off the ark with them didn't go to those places not how they got to the ark.
Now if you think God poofed them back home, why did he kill off most of them in the first place? Why not just poof them out of the way while he murdered all the humans? Why go through all this ark nonsense? You are bringing in the Omphalos hypothesis yet again.
I can't believe that AllHail has a brain. Do you use it for anything other than stopping the top of your head from falling in?
The first requirement for YEC is to totally shut down any rational thought about all the falsifications of the global flood myth. We see this over and over. The second requirement is to say "poof" God did it, whenever something is so irrational that even a YEC can't accept it.
I will be away until Sunday night at least. Continue to try to keep anyone from taking any of AllHail's nonsense seriously.
Because now you are making things up the Bible doesn't talk about. Yes, the Bible talks about Noah bringing the animals to the Ark, but nothing about anything miraculous God does. Also, God doesn't perform any miracle to cause the Flood, just opens the gates and lets the waters above the earth come down and the waters below come up. No miraculous creating of water, just opening gates. Finally, there is no mention of what happens to the animals after the Flood. No saying that God miraculously moved them to their new locations. They are all with Noah at the landing site.
So, if you allow the miraculous, you have just destroyed an inerrant and infallible Bible. Which, of course, is the whole point of invoking the Flood to begin with! To preserve an inerrant and infallible Bible of a young earth.
why dont' you read the story? Noah did not bring the animals to the ark, the animals came to him. This was intervention by God. By beleiving that God can cause events to happen, and that God can intervene even in these events to protect his own, I am in no way destroying the inerrant, and infallible Bible. What in the world would ever cause you to reason like that?
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A large number of very large craters and no one even noticed them hitting is what we have.
Where? You think a young earth could not take a few impacts?
But the thread you are trying unsuccesfully to refute does discuss other fossil forests and not Yellowstone.
Its not supposed to, you said Yellowstone, that addresses Yellowstone.
Did you even read the thread? It was addressing how the animals got back to places they have prexisting fossil records after the flood and why other animals that came off the ark with them didn't go to those places not how they got to the ark.
Yes yes that still isn't an issue, because Since you allow God to intervene in every other situation to bring you to this point, why not allow for this one? The history in the Bible is based on the Premise that God Created and interacts with the world. If you take God out, it will look silly no matter what you say.
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