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The fossil forests in Yellowstone are not polystrate. Instead, you have up to 14 forests in one location, one on top of another. Each forest now consists only of stumps, but many have their roots attached. They were growing trees, not one that are knocked down and moved by a flood. They were growing there. The layers between the forests are volcanic ash/mud mix, much like you see from Mt. St. Helens. In each case, there was time between eruptions for a new forest to grow to maturity before it was destroyed.
There is no way these forests could have been deposited by the Flood.
About the floating, and sinking, by that argument, fish falsify uniformitarianism, because dead fish float, so for them to be fossilized at the bottom of the ocean is impossible.
But why is it that some fish are fossilized at the bottom of the ocean. Why is it that many of the cartilaginous fishes are always found in layers below the teleostean fishes (perch, mackerel, tuna, etc)? Or why is it that these bony fishes are always found above species of other bony fishes of the same size and shape? There is no explanation of turbidity, hydrodynamic sorting etc. that will explain this.
How could poop falsify the flood because it is cracked? why couldn't it have been cracked before the flood came?
Because dried poop dissolves in water.
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Because that would take more time than I am willing to spend.
That's a poor excuse. Just pick one at a time and do the research to refute it. We're patient.
AlHail, if you can't refute, then please think about changing your mind. Discarding creationism doesn't mean leaving Christianity.
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I have been told that "****" means to "store high in transit" When poop gets wet it smells bad. So if you put it on a ship, you want to make sure that you keep it up out of the water.
I think he meant that all the salt and all the other sediment is in the oceans (quite how it all got washed off the poles and everywhere else, he does not make clear). His reply would have benefitted from some punctuation.
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The fossil forests in Yellowstone are not polystrate. Instead, you have up to 14 forests in one location, one on top of another. Each forest now consists only of stumps, but many have their roots attached. They were growing trees, not one that are knocked down and moved by a flood. They were growing there. The layers between the forests are volcanic ash/mud mix, much like you see from Mt. St. Helens. In each case, there was time between eruptions for a new forest to grow to maturity before it was destroyed.
But why is it that some fish are fossilized at the bottom of the ocean. Why is it that many of the cartilaginous fishes are always found in layers below the teleostean fishes (perch, mackerel, tuna, etc)? Or why is it that these bony fishes are always found above species of other bony fishes of the same size and shape? There is no explanation of turbidity, hydrodynamic sorting etc. that will explain this.
Ecological zoning.
Because dried poop dissolves in water.
Not if it was covered in sediment.
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The AiG page doesn't really explain the fossil forests of course and does not even address the Joggins or Curio Bay areas which have forests that are clearly stacked on one another. It also does not addresss the presence of fossil soils that have developed during the time each forest took to grow.
Here is an example of misrepresentation from Sarfati.
Some of the trees extend into the ‘forest’ layer above. But if the next layer had to wait hundreds of years for the ash covering to weather into soil (so the ‘next’ forest could grow), then the exposed tree top would have completely decayed. But if the trees were all laid down quickly, this observation should not be surprising.
Except that there are trees partially buried by an eruption of Mt. Hood a couple hundred years ago that have not decayed away.
We have discussed this extensively before and I think that all the rest of Sarfati's nonsense can be answered given time that I don't have right at the moment. Here is a page with more on fossil forests.
Ecological zoning completely fails as an explanation of the fossil record of fishes(and virtually everything else of course). How does ecological zoning explain a succession of bottom dwelling organisms? How does it explain a succession of free swimming, ocean dwelling organisms that were supposedly buried by a flood?
Not if it was covered in sediment
Here is an experiment for you. Take some cracked dried poop, cover it with a layer of wet sand. Cover the whole thing with water for a few months. See if the poop stays dried and cracked.
The AiG page doesn't really explain the fossil forests of course and does not even address the Joggins or Curio Bay areas which have forests that are clearly stacked on one another. It also does not addresss the presence of fossil soils that have developed during the time each forest took to grow.
Of course it doesn't Why would it address Different forests in an article which was meant to address the Yellowstone forests?
Ecological zoning completely fails as an explanation of the fossil record of fishes(and virtually everything else of course). How does ecological zoning explain a succession of bottom dwelling organisms? How does it explain a succession of free swimming, ocean dwelling organisms that were supposedly buried by a flood?
Why don't you just read about it and find out?
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And don't forget about those shed shark teeth. Not one is found amongst cambrian deposits. Unless shark teeth float . . .
Of course not, Sharks live in the ocean dude. The first layers were likely formed very early, so by the time the sharks swam over land, and started losing their teeth these layers were already formed.
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