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Reps: 562 (power: 0) | | | I am really surprised to learn that fish bones float, because I have disposed of fish remains before by sinking them. They sank and did not come back up.
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Reps: 16,712 (power: 43) | | Originally Posted by Nathan David I am really surprised to learn that fish bones float, because I have disposed of fish remains before by sinking them. They sank and did not come back up.
this is a demonstration of devolution, since fish bones have lost the ability to float.
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Reps: 19,183,710,574,649,584 (power: 19,183,710,574,664) | | http://www.fathom.com/course/10701050/session4.html The neutrally buoyant swimmers either have gas bladders to stop them sinking, or very light bones and flesh.
If the gas bladders deflate many of them will sink. standers tend to be heavier than water and sink if they stop swimming. They spend most of their time either resting on the bottom waiting for a suitable piece of food to arrive, or making short excursions across the sea floor in search of food. They include relatives of the bottom-living skates and rays of shallow waters, and also bottom-dwelling sharks, although these are rarely more than about 1 metre long.
So many fish are more dense than water. The deepest record for any fish goes to Abyssobrotula galatheae, a member of another deep-sea family, Ophidiidae, which was dredged from the bottom of the Puerto Rico Trench at a depth of 8,368m in 1970.
Do you think it would come up if it died? I recently saw video from a submersible of fish feeding on the carcus of a dead whale pretty deep on the ocean floor. Since whales obviously can sink when dead why aren't they found in Cambrian deposits?
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Reps: 84,929,301,057,186,064 (power: 84,929,301,057,204) | | Originally Posted by Frumious Bandersnatch Do you think it would come up if it died? I recently saw video from a submersible of fish feeding on the carcus of a dead whale pretty deep on the ocean floor. Since whales obviously can sink when dead why aren't they found in Cambrian deposits?
And don't forget about those shed shark teeth. Not one is found amongst cambrian deposits. Unless shark teeth float . . . |
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Because that would take more time than I am willing to spend.
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I am really surprised to learn that fish bones float, because I have disposed of fish remains before by sinking them. They sank and did not come back up.
That is strange, I find dead fish floating in my grandmother's lake all the time. Now by remains do you mean that you cut them up?
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Reps: 19,183,710,574,649,584 (power: 19,183,710,574,664) | | Originally Posted by AlHailThePowerOfJesusName That is strange, I find dead fish floating in my grandmother's lake all the time. Now by remains do you mean that you cut them up?
You are committing one of the YEC's favorite fallacies, the fallacy of hasty generalization. Just because some fish float after death, does not mean they all will. Fish that have swim bladders will float if the swim bladder is inflated but not if it is deflated. Fish without swim bladders such as darters will nearly alway sink and others will sink if the bladder is not inflated. Sharks sink if they don't keep swimming constantly because they don't have swim bladders. Fish such as hagfish make their livings feeding of the bodies of other fish that have sunk to the ocean floor. They wouldn't do too well if fish bodies didn't ever sink.
Meanwhile the distribution of fish fossils like the distribution of all other fossils presents big problems for the flood myth. http://home.entouch.net/dmd/fish.htm
There are also clear successions of sessile benthic organisms, that is organism that grow fastened to the ocean floor in the fossil record. http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/ff.htm
and these organism grew in place. Contrary to this retrodiction, sedimentary strata attributed to each of the Phanerozoic systems contain fossils and fossil assemblages of sessile benthic organisms which, judged by various sedimentary and taphonomic criteria, have not been transported from their site of growth, and are therefore autochthonous. Such assemblages show that, numerous times during the deposition of the sedimentary record, sedimentation ceased or slowed long enough to allow the development of in-place communities of sessile benthic organisms. Hence, it is false that most of the fossiliferous sedimentary record was deposited by a single, months-long depositional event.
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The ICR article addresses none of the issues in the thread on Devils Tower mentioned. Nice try, but poor form. You seem to have posted an article by simply searching for devils tower at ICR without reading either the content of the post you supposedly are refuting or the actual article you linked to. If this is the level of your debunking, I don't believe your second statement that you could actually address the evidence in the Hawiian Island thead.
Care to try again?
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Actually it is John Morris' page that is not impressive. He only addresses how the tower might have cooled fast in water and not how it must have been formed and the time it must have taken to form it or that the supposed rapid cooling by water, if it occured could not have occured until the sedimentary rock it was intruded into had eroded away. I could go step by step, and debunk the arguments in this one, but it would be a long and blustery post.
I have seen a lot of YECs try to bluster there way out of the Hawiian Island chain evidence but never seen one succeed. Have at it. http://www.christianforums.com/t35581 Two words: "polystrate fossils"
Not again! Do I have to show the polystrate telephone pole yet again? Polystrate fossils were refuted as global flood evidence more than 100 years ago. This is what I mean by bringing up PRATT list nonsense. http://www.christianforums.com/t90596 http://pubs.usgs.gov/pinatubo/punong1/fig18f.jpg
The point is not that these forest got buried but that after one got buried another grew on top of it and so on. Hard to imagine during a year long global flood. About the floating, and sinking, by that argument, fish falsify uniformitarianism, because dead fish float, so for them to be fossilized at the bottom of the ocean is impossible.
This has been addressed. It is your claim that quickly sank. How could poop falsify the flood because it is cracked? why couldn't it have been cracked before the flood came?
And get transported along with the animals that deposited it, and stay dried out and cracked while under water for nearly a year? Are you capable of critical thinking at all? http://www.christianforums.com/t41820 The answer would be in the oceans.
How would the answer to the ice cores problem be in the oceans? This makes no sense to me. http://www.christianforums.com/t93631 Vredefort crater (300 km diameter, ~2 billion years ago)
Sudbury crater (250 km diameter, ~1.8 billion years ago)
Chicxulub crater (170 km diameter, ~65 million years ago)
Woodleigh crater (~120 km diameter, ~200-360 million years ago)
Popigai crater (100 km diameter, ~36 million years ago)
Manicouagan crater (100 km diameter, ~214 million years ago)
already based on the assumption that the earth is old.. so how does that prove the earth is old?
You are completely missing the point. If the earth is not old how do you cram all these massive impacts, the supervolcano eruptions and the outflowing of all the lava in the large igneous provinces into a few thousand years and not only not extinguish human life but have nobody even notice? http://www.christianforums.com/t50702 http://www.christianforums.com/t94596
I won't hold my breath.
Here are a few more for you to answer later.
Since you brought up fossil fish how about trace fossils. http://www.christianforums.com/t63670
Or the fossil record in general. http://christianforums.com/t42599
Maybe you would like to try to explain biogeography and be the first YEC to do so. http://www.christianforums.com/t155813 More later from your friendly neighborhood creationist...
Keep digging in that PRATT list. Maybe you'll find something yet.
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