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Well, scientists are all evil atheists who are intent on disproving God.
There is a difference between denyal and disproving. If you run a red light and get stoped by a policeman you can try to convince him that there was no light at that intersection, but it would be a lot smarter to try and claim that the light was green and not red at the time you went though the intersection. To deny the red light & claim it was green, would be a lot easier then to try to prove there was no light.
I just saw a documetnary on the History Channle the other day where archeologists found the sedimentary layer that came from, as they put it, an enormous flood that engulfed most of the known world at that time. I know evolutionists rely on this type of "proof" but it is compelely irrelevant to me because scientists are just as much in the dark about what happened in histroy as anyone in our current generation is. I simply believe the Bible because i have no proof that it is wrong. If in 6oo years, there is no proof that someone who exists today actually lived, then scientists would say they didn't live either. But that doesn't mean it's true. Scientists are only capable of believing what they see and nothing more. But they miss so much more because they do not trust anything other than what they can see in front of them. This tunnel vision keeps them from understanding that the unseen is far more vast than the seen, and the obvious fact that BILLIONS of people lived in the past and thousands of events happened in history that they can't see today.
Carico, don't pretend for a second that you understand what the scientists believe. You don't understand the first thing about the scientific method, what a scientific theory is, or the basics of the theory of evolution, how can you go around saying what scientists are and aren't capable of?
I simply believe that my invisible friend Barney follows me around and sprinkles invisible rose petals everywhere that I walk because it hasn't been disproven.
__________________ And that's all I have to say about that.
There is a difference between denyal and disproving. If you run a red light and get stoped by a policeman you can try to convince him that there was no light at that intersection, but it would be a lot smarter to try and claim that the light was green and not red at the time you went though the intersection. To deny the red light & claim it was green, would be a lot easier then to try to prove there was no light.
Deny to who?! Who do you think we're trying to fool, John?
Ourselves? How is that supposed to work?
God? Hello, he's supposedly omniscient, and knows full well he exists!
Theists? Why would they even care?
Who's the cop, John? Sheesh.
__________________ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.
- Richard P. Feynman
That's not relevant and you're just setting yourself up for failure.
If the only thing that the alleged "Word of God" supports is a global flood, which is exactly what you are implying with your question (whose answer I'm sure you could not care less about), then you bring the credibility of that text into question because we already know that a global flood did not occur, particularly at the time you need it to as per your biblical interpretation.
In short, if the alleged "Word of God" does not allow for a local flood, then your text is wrong, plain and simple.
I also see that you have abandoned any attempt at explaining the evidence against you now that you have admitted that the evidence supports the findings of science because you claim that it was rearranged by demons. There simply is no longer any reason for you to continue any discussion here.
A mathematician confided
That a Möbius band is one-sided,
And you'll get quite a laugh,
If you cut one in half,
For it stays in one piece when divided!
Try to keep up with the conversation, you deny God. Do you deny that you deny God. Do you accept that there is a God that created the Heavens and the Earth?
Try to keep up with the conversation, you deny God. Do you deny that you deny God. Do you accept that there is a God that created the Heavens and the Earth?
I can't speak for him, but speaking for myself I can say that as an atheist, I do not deny God. I don't even believe one exists. So I cannot deny what I don't think is there.
Now what does this have to do with anything? Some christians believe that there was a god, who created the universe a long time ago, and some listen to the logic of science and use critical thinking skills to understand that the world is not as we, or as christians _want_ it to be, it is as it is - with or without us.
So, why not just look at the evidence around us, then come to a conclusion. I don't believe in theology, nor do I want to. It's my choice, and you cannot take that choice away from me.
I'm happier than I've ever been as an atheist. For once in my life I'm free of empty guilt, and free of questions that christianity never could answer.
But, honestly John, I think that it's totally irrelavent to your argument, and I don't know why theology is so often brought up in the realm of scientific arguments among some people.
Try to keep up with the conversation, you deny God. Do you deny that you deny God. Do you accept that there is a God that created the Heavens and the Earth?
I do not think the statement 'there is a supernatural intelligent entity known as 'The Christian God' responsible for the the universe' is true, if that is your question. But your use of the word 'denial' seems to suggest you think I secretly think that it is true, and yet wake up every morning intent on fooling everyone that it is false. Despite secretly believing that my doing so will send myself and others to hell.
Does this make any sense?
If you're going to make up assumptions to keep your worldview intact, fine. But at least keep them from the point of absurdity.
__________________ The first principle is that you must not fool yourself and you are the easiest person to fool.
- Richard P. Feynman
can you support the existence of computers using an old collection of history and mythology that you ascribe divinity to? guess they dont exist either...
__________________ ...and had I lived a couple of centuries earlier I could have fancied a devil scoffing at me and them— and asking me what profit it was to have stripped myself of the hopes and consolations of the mass of mankind? To which my only reply was and is— Oh devil! Truth is better than much profit. I have searched over the grounds of my belief, and if wife and child and name and fame were all to be lost to me one after the other as the penalty, still i will not lie
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