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Old 30th April 2004, 08:02 PM
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I can't believe you actually bothered to respond. At least you're persistent.

Yes, they are included. Rivers cut through the deserts and plains where they lived. Egypt is a very hot and desertous regions- yet they thrived there because of the Nile. Native Americans lived around the Great Lakes or different rivers, such as the Mississippi or the Ohio River. Or they lived near lakes. But no civilization simply lived in the middle of the Sahara.
Actually no, the Soiux Indians followed the buffalo herds, And the horse nomads of asia were constantly travelling. The nomadic tribes in The continent of Africa though its true that they did not always run around in the Sahara desert were not in contact with much water, Usually they wandered around in the areas of nations like Kenya from what have read of them, and even today water is very valuble in Kenya.

We're going to need more than your mind's eye. The trees would have to be partially submerged since they were still afloat. God created a flood- but not a supernatural one. A cactus partially submerged is a dead plant.
The dove could not have brought the olive branch when they were still afloat, I think by that time they had landed on a mountain, but God did not want them to go out untill he gave the ok.
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Old 30th April 2004, 10:09 PM
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Forgive me, I asked that wrong- why would primitive bacteria only be found in the lowest strata, and why is it that all that is found in the lowest strata is primitive bacteria?
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Originally Posted by AlHailThePowerOfJesusName
Actually no, the Soiux Indians followed the buffalo herds, And the horse nomads of asia were constantly travelling. The nomadic tribes in The continent of Africa though its true that they did not always run around in the Sahara desert were not in contact with much water, Usually they wandered around in the areas of nations like Kenya from what have read of them, and even today water is very valuble in Kenya.
Followed buffalo... which lived around sources of water. Animals, including humans require sources of water for survival. Buffalo don't just eat grass all day for their daily water intake. Indians followed buffalo as they wandered to different bodies of water. I didn't think I would have to escort you to the logical ends and implications of what I was getting at.


The dove could not have brought the olive branch when they were still afloat, I think by that time they had landed on a mountain, but God did not want them to go out untill he gave the ok.
The water had still not yet gone down completely. So... it's a more straightforward reading that they were still afloat. Even if they weren't partially submerged- that's not the point. A flood would have sterilized the planet of all terrestrial flora. Seeds included! To assume that God supernaturally re-created plants you think He did on the third day is extra-Biblical.
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You're forgetting- even if they were constantly traveling, had they seen a body of water before? Yes. Had someone in their lineage ever had contact with a body of water that might have flooded or stormed? There's no reason to believe that someone in their recent ancestry had not. So could an exaggerated fear or story eventually be passed down as a world-wide flood story? Yes.

Every civilization has a flood story. But do they all possess stories of worldwide floods? I do not know the answer to this myself- I was just wondering if you could direct me to a source that claims such.

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Originally Posted by Jet Black
it would have been almost infinitely simpler and less stupid sounding.
Floods are good for business in the long run. Some of the best farm land in the world are the flood planes. God has a reason why He does things the way He does.
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
Floods are good for business in the long run. Some of the best farm land in the world are the flood planes. God has a reason why He does things the way He does.
Ya, total planet-wide genocide has its good points :rolleyes:
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5 pages later; still waiting on something from AlHail about my thread...

Look, I realise that you're trying to answer everyone at once here and you may not be able to respond - but seriously, this isn't the way to debate properly. I think Frumious has already suggested that you pick one thread, bump it and start on a single topic in detail. You really should think about doing this - I formally volunteer my thread, seeing as the Flood would have had the greatest impact on geology if it occurred.

Consider it a test - the Flood was supposed to be global in nature, so if the geology of any area at all in the world shows no signs of having been affected by a flood environment, the hypothesis immediately fails and you are left with invoking miracles to maintain bible inerrancy. Note that it is not possible to declare that the evidence of the Flood has been destroyed in any way - it supposedly caused the entirety of the current geological column, remember. (Otherwise you are left with explaining where the flood formations begin and end, and where the rest of the column came from - and who wants that kind of headache?)

Bottom line, the notion that a global flood occured must work in specific cases, or else it is meaningless in general cases.

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Originally Posted by armed2010
Ya, total planet-wide genocide has its good points :rolleyes:
Well, be optimistic about it. Because of all the fresh organic fertilizer consisting of every living thing on land that died catastrophically, apples, for example, might have grown an extra half an inch in diameter for the following generations.

And everybody loves pie.
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Originally Posted by JohnR7
Floods are good for business in the long run. Some of the best farm land in the world are the flood planes. God has a reason why He does things the way He does.
again, you believe in a local flood don't you? and that's fine, because there is even some evidence for flooding in the area if I remember. What I am talking about however is the global flood, and the problem is not so much with the flood itself, but all the immense tinkering that has gone on to make it look just like a flood never happened, and the earth is billions of years old. that is the really stupid bit.
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Originally Posted by Jet Black
What I am talking about however is the global flood.
The global flood was 300 feet. The local flood needs to be 5000 feet to get the ark to where it was suppose to have landed.

There is a lot of research going into off shore oil, that shows the ocean level is at least 300 feet higher than what it was.
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