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Abstinence only.
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Safe Sex only.
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Both Abstinence and Safe Sex.
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Other (Please specify)
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19th February 2004, 11:21 AM
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Reps: 26 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Wilfred of Ivanhoe I would recommend abstinence because to do otherwise would be to sin against God.
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19th February 2004, 11:22 AM
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Reps: 753 (power: 0) | | I think that most, if not all teenagers would abstain they had a good reason to do so.
Most teens today already abstain. 74% of all teenagers are still virgins when they enter college. It has nothing to do with condoms being available to them or abstinence only sex education. It's because they are being educated on the various ways to protect themselves and that there are nasty diseases out there that they can catch even if they are protected. I would recommend abstinence because to do otherwise would be to sin against God.
Uh, I'm sorry but our public education systems should not be formed around what would be a sin against God. Not all teenagers believe in God therefore the Biblical morals should not be thrust upon them in what is supposed to be a religion-neutral environment. Not to mention there are plenty of Christian teens out there knocking boots and they get the abstinence only message driven home thoroughly during church youth meetings. See what good it does? *end sarcasm*
By shrouding sex in mystery and telling kids that sex is bad you're making them want to do it more. If condoms are accessible and teens know that they can say "no" then what do you have to lose?  |
19th February 2004, 11:22 AM
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Reps: 517,468,853,920,123 (power: 517,468,853,930) | | | If we were to teach a child not to steal cars - would we first teach them all the safe ways to steal cars without getting caught? How to open a car door without the alarm going off, how to avade the police, how to start the engine without the key etc...
Of course we don't. We just say "don't do it" and we expect the child not too. So why is it different for sex? Why when we bring children/teenagers up, do we say "don't have sex with anyone until you're in a committed marital relationship, but if you do make sure you use a condom, make sure the girl is on the pill, make sure you have regular check-ups etc..." ??? |
19th February 2004, 11:24 AM
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Reps: 28 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by msjones21 Most teens today already abstain. 74% of all teenagers are still virgins when they enter college. It has nothing to do with condoms being available to them or abstinence only sex education. It's because they are being educated on the various ways to protect themselves and that there are nasty diseases out there that they can catch even if they are protected.
Yeah, I know. I should have said "sexually active teenagers" instead of "teenagers".
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19th February 2004, 11:25 AM
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Reps: 753 (power: 0) | | | British One, your analogy is bogus. You can't compare teens having sex to stealing cars. We need to teach teenagers that having sex can result in consequences such as pregnancy or becoming infected with a disease and that it's okay to say "no" to having sex, but telling them that sex is wrong/bad/evil/etc. and then refusing to teach them about contraception is just begging for more teen pregnancy and more STD infected young people. |
19th February 2004, 11:27 AM
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19th February 2004, 11:33 AM
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Reps: 753 (power: 0) | | | Another problem with abstinence only sex education is that it conveys the message that the only normal/safe/healthy/enjoyable sex occurs within the confines of a heterosexual marriage. The problem with this claim is that there is no guarantee that your spouse will not infect you just because you're married or that you'll never experience an unexpected pregnancy. It also excludes students who are gay/lesbian or have no desire to marry, even though I realize some of you think that homosexuality or not wanting to marry and have a housefull of children are absurd and disgusting concepts. All students should be included, not just the ones who are there to hear a Bible-based message on sexuality. It has no place in the schools. They have no business conveying a conservative Christian biased message in regard to sex, one that leaves so much to question and exlcudes many students. |
19th February 2004, 11:36 AM
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Reps: 135 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by British One If we were to teach a child not to steal cars - would we first teach them all the safe ways to steal cars without getting caught? How to open a car door without the alarm going off, how to avade the police, how to start the engine without the key etc...
Of course we don't. We just say "don't do it" and we expect the child not too. So why is it different for sex? Why when we bring children/teenagers up, do we say "don't have sex with anyone until you're in a committed marital relationship, but if you do make sure you use a condom, make sure the girl is on the pill, make sure you have regular check-ups etc..." ???
Please! Contracting a deadly disease like AIDS cannot be compared to stealing someones property! This is a life or death situation, these are about life altering consequences like the creation of another humanbeing!
You have to understand that a lot of teens don't come from morally strong homes or parents who are concerened for them, what about those kids? We're punishing them by not giving them the proper information! It's like saying "You cannot jump in this pool, stay away, it's dangerous! If you decide to jump in anyway then you're just going to drown because I'm not going to teach you how to swim!"
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19th February 2004, 11:40 AM
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Reps: 588 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by msjones21 Uh, I'm sorry but our public education systems should not be formed around what would be a sin against God. Not all teenagers believe in God therefore the Biblical morals should not be thrust upon them in what is supposed to be a religion-neutral environment. Not to mention there are plenty of Christian teens out there knocking boots and they get the abstinence only message driven home thoroughly during church youth meetings. See what good it does? *end sarcasm*
By shrouding sex in mystery and telling kids that sex is bad you're making them want to do it more. If condoms are accessible and teens know that they can say "no" then what do you have to lose?
So because not all teenages believe in God, God does not exist for those who do not believe? To quote a pastor friend, if I do not believe in Zebras, does that mean they do not exist? Belief, or disbelief, in something does not equate into Truth. God is God whether a particular person believes it or not. I think its sad that our country has strayed from the one true God and has embraced everyone elese's beliefs. I know this is not popular, but when has the truth ever been popular? Did the pharasees embrace the prophets of God who came with hard sayings, or did they embrace the false prophets who only spoke nice things? I'm not a prophet, but I can read the Bible and see what God's message is.
Next issue: Why are our schools, which do not believe in God and God alone, need to tell kids about sex? What are parents for?
I am all for explaining why not to have sex rather than just saying don't. Tell them about the spritiual and worldly consequences of sin. But stand up for the truth! |
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Reps: 753 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by loveisallyouneed Please! Contracting a deadly disease like AIDS cannot be compared to stealing someones property! This is a life or death situation, these are about life altering consequences like the creation of another humanbeing!
You have to understand that a lot of teens don't come from morally strong homes or parents who are concerened for them, what about those kids? We're punishing them by not giving them the proper information! It's like saying "You cannot jump in this pool, stay away, it's dangerous! If you decide to jump in anyway then you're just going to drown because I'm not going to teach you how to swim!"
I had to rep you one for that. I agree wholeheartedly. | | |
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