Yes folks, its another flood thread!

Since I have never heard responses to them before, I would like to bring up two more arguments that have been bugging me:

1. The flood waters must have a certain salinity. What happens to those aquatic life forms that cannot survive in said salinity? That's a whole lot more 'kinds' to put on the Ark.

2. The flood waters rising would raise 'sea level' by several miles. What effect does this have on atmospheric pressure at the top where the ark is, given the earths increased surface area?

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"Teaching the pagan religion of evolutionism is a waste of valuable class time and textbook space. It is also one of the reasons American kids don't test as well in science as kids in other parts of the world."

Well, in short:

1. The flood waters must have a certain salinity. What happens to those aquatic life forms that cannot survive in said salinity? That's a whole lot more 'kinds' to put on the Ark.

God could remove salt from the ocean waters! Fish are not that smart, yes, but that is why God protected them from all kinds of dangers while in the salty waters!

2. The flood waters rising would raise 'sea level' by several miles. What effect does this have on atmospheric pressure at the top where the ark is, given the earths increased surface area?

Then God protected the Ark by removing the atmosphere, or at least raising it! God can do anything! You are trying to use your 'science' to solve everything, when in reality, you need fate. God will do the rest for you!



You see, it is very simple. No matter what your answer, God is right and you are wrong, no matter the evidence. We don't need evidence to back our faith, we need televangelists who are spreading the true word of God. If you are not a supporter of God's special creation, you are a supporter of Satan.

It is one or the other, don't you see? You are wrong, no matter what you say! Now, make your choice, join God or Satan in this universal fight, and join against the forces of:

Geology
Evolution
Cosmology
Astronomy
Zoology
Botany

And many others! All science is a big fraud, you are being lied to!



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Well, you present some good points there. Firstly, by the flood theory, the fish would be dead. Secondly, Noah and his people would die due to the atmospheric conditions. However, I am sure there is a Goddidit excuse for all of this.

3. What about specific diets? Like those animals needing actual fresh living plants...

4. What about AIDS? (Oh yeah, must be "god's wrath to punish homosexuals...)
5. Ok than what about all those other only heterosexually transmissible disease? (heeeheee who carryed them?)

The flood story obliviously is a fairy tale among others... nowhere does it tell that the Ark was magical or god helped in doing the cleaning and feeding of animals. Invent as many little magic devices and solution to the one-window problem (all the gas in the air... brrr) as you want, it will never work.

Talcos, You almost had it right.

No matter what the evidence, the creationist is right and you are wrong. Why? Because the bible is god and the creationist his all knowing interpreter.

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Thats why fundamentalism is better than catholicism. Catholics only get one infallible interpreter, the Pope, while every single fundamentalist is an infallible biblical intepreter!

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Greatest Hovind quote of all time, as voted for by members of CF:
"Teaching the pagan religion of evolutionism is a waste of valuable class time and textbook space. It is also one of the reasons American kids don't test as well in science as kids in other parts of the world."

Salinity is not the only problem. There are also certain fish that need certain temperatures to survive. And if the Flood was as catastrophic as Creationists claim it was, then those habitats would have ben destroyd, such as the coral reefs.

And also, many ppl only think that they brought along animals. But what about the insects? There are millions of different species of insects. Now, given the fact that many Creationists accept micro-evolution as fact, that would reduce the number of insects need to what, a couple hundred thousand?

God must hav been very busy fixing all these problems...

And blacks.

Millions more hetrosexual Africans have died due to HIV/AIDS than homosexuals have. I wonder what their exact transgression was for this scurge? Curse of Ham?

Meh, God was never very good about collateral damage. I mean, look at the overkill from the flood, when all He wanted to do was punish the humans. But nooo, all the animals had to suffer too for some reason.

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Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution

Regarding the Atmospheric pressure. I read something about this a few months back and please do not ask me what or where...it was probably at a Library but I have three I jump between and study at..anyway, this article said something to the effect that the Atmospheric pressure would be raised to a little over 19 psi from 14 psi. The gist was that nothing could live. (I am not a Geologist at all so I am quite out of my realm here, but anyway the article was really interesting ...) Another proof of why the Noah flood was not possible.

When these logical facts are brought up to people (creationists) they say, "Well.. he could have made it so they could live in those conditions, he is God, he can do anything..."

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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.

Plato, Symposium 203E-204A

LOL, I love it.

This is why no Creationist like to come to these forums and debate.

You mock them for their beliefs, while at the same time saying "Have and Open-mind."

My questions are:

1. Where did you guys get a number like 4.5 billion years? Is that how long you estimate it might take for something accidently turn into something else?

2. Has it ever been done in a lab experiment? Can you guys take a glass box, with nothing inside and have it turn into a complex solar system? or even a small organism?

You guys are stuck on these small details, How the fish could survive or the pressure. You should really be looking at your own theory and figuring out how something can come from nothing.

Show me a box completely empty that turns into a Complex organism, and then i might consider your theory.