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Old 17th February 2004, 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Routerider
So these earth shattering asteroids came down to take out one city??
The literalist god has a habit of overkill. Look at the flood.
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I just thought I'd add this link to the thread...this topic is interesting indeed.

http://www.space.com/scienceastronom...ar_000907.html
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People might be interested in this page:

http://www4.tpg.com.au/users/horsts/climate.htm

it gives a rough idea of the effects that various sizes of impact would have.
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Originally Posted by Routerider
So these earth shattering asteroids came down to take out one city??
Of course...

And God shielded the rest of the planet, to protect it from the massive death that would have resulted.....

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*bumpity bump*

C'mon, not one YEC wants to take a crack at this? They all seem so eager to rip into mainstream science, but they go remarkably silent when it comes to backing up their own theory.
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Interesting. Why are they clustered in europe/australia/north america?

Why not south east asia/russia?
They're concentrated on the "Shields" -- the areas where the oldest rocks are exposed in widespread areas. (The idea is that they've been around the longest, so more astroblemes are evident there because the record of the hits has been preserved.) That's why most African hits are in South Africa -- it's the oldest exposed rock on that continent. The Canadian and Fennoscandic Shields are two of the largest shield areas.

There is, however, as John Solum noted, a bit of researcher-based bias -- the Angara Shield in east central Siberia is also large but has had much less geological exploration than have Scandinavia or Canada. And the "craton" area in the central U.S. is not as old, as far as surface rocks go, but has had probably more geologic exploration than anywhere else outside parts of Europe, so it gets a bit heavier dose of recorded hits.

If I were a YEC, how I'd go about explaining them is by attacking the dating techniques, which are interestingly subjective -- basically taking a bunch of potential markers, like shocked zircon crystals, and reading them to establish a limit value.
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If I were a YEC, how I'd go about explaining them is by attacking the dating techniques, which are interestingly subjective -- basically taking a bunch of potential markers, like shocked zircon crystals, and reading them to establish a limit value.
However you date them you have to cram them in to a few thousand years of earth history in the YEC "model". You also have a massive amount of volcanic activity including supervolcanes and flood basalts that has to be crammed into the same short time frame.

http://www.christianforums.com/t50702

No one seemed to notice these catastrophic events.

I have never seen anything like an adequate YEC answer to this problem with the young earth.

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I thought the YEC answer was that they didn't really happen? They just appear to exist because God made the Earth "look old." Techincally, it is a sound arguement because if God does exist he can do whatever he **** well pleases. However, it falls into the "the world was created yesterday" arguement as well as a Matrix type thingy. Then of course it makes God out to be a trickster.

Take this scenario for example.

God "How many fingers am I holding up?"
Me "... I'm not blind, I can see clear as day that you're holding up 3 fingers."
/God magically grows a few more fingers
God "BZZZZZZ! WRONG! It's 6 fingers!"
Me "But you were holding up 3 when you asked me."
God "Nope. If you had read your bible you would know that I always hold up 6 fingers when I ask this question."
Me "... Remind me never to play cards with you."
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Originally Posted by Frumious Bandersnatch
However you date them you have to cram them in to a few thousand years of earth history in the YEC "model". You also have a massive amount of volcanic activity including supervolcanes and flood basalts that has to be crammed into the same short time frame.

http://www.christianforums.com/t50702

No one seemed to notice these catastrophic events.

I have never seen anything like an adequate YEC answer to this problem with the young earth.

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Point taken, O wise bandersnatch! However, I was essaying a response to the OP's request for how a YEC would try to explain, specifically, meteorite impact craters and their apparent dates, not trying to explain away all the evidence that debunks YECism.

Milkman, true, but that equally justifies LastThursdayism -- the doctrine that the Invisible Pink Unicorn created the world just last Thursday -- including us, complete with memories of when we were kids and such.
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Originally Posted by Polycarp1
Milkman, true, but that equally justifies LastThursdayism -- the doctrine that the Invisible Pink Unicorn created the world just last Thursday -- including us, complete with memories of when we were kids and such.
Hehe, yeah, I addressed that. Not quite as clearly or in as much detail, thanks for expounding on that.
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