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God athropomorphized all the animals and packed them provisions before sending them off to their various habitats. Once they arrived, they de-anthrophomophized and started having babies and the world as we know was set in motion.
(Why not? It's just as plausible as the other scenarios YECs toss out)
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I dont really know, to be honest! But minging as it would be, I still think that there'd be some meat left on the semi-decomposed animal carcasses. As to the plants growing, apparently some plants can survive that sort of situation (got nothing to back it up though) and if flood plains of rivers are anything to go by (and I dont know if they are) then thered be a lot of great topsoil after a nice big flood...
I dont really know, to be honest! But minging as it would be, I still think that there'd be some meat left on the semi-decomposed animal carcasses.
But would there enough for various hungry predators?
I'm almost tempted to test this, by hanging a bunch of animal carcasses outside to see how long they take to decompose...
As to the plants growing, apparently some plants can survive that sort of situation (got nothing to back it up though) and if flood plains of rivers are anything to go by (and I dont know if they are) then thered be a lot of great topsoil after a nice big flood...
There's also the topography of the land to consider. Noah and co. were apparently stranded in the mountains of Ararat. No doubt there would have been sediment deposits, but sediment deposits obey gravity (hence, they'd be at the bottoms of mountains). I wonder if any resident geologists could comment on this point...
__________________ Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution
S'okay, if you get stumped you can always resort to ol' creationist standby, "Goddidit".
And as its 4am over here, Im going to bed. Night all!
'night.
__________________ Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution
While many animals eat carrion the idea that all the carnivores would feed on carrion that was killed by a flood and in the water for a year is absurd. First they would gobble up all the prey that was close at hand. Consider the poor flightless birds. How long would the kiwi or the dodo have lasted coming off the ark in the presence of all those hungry predators?
The problem for plant eaters is also insoluble. There are very few seeds that would survive the long exposure of the the flood and even if Noah brought seeds that would have to grow before the herbivores would have food to eat. Also consider all the animals that live in and on trees and the products of trees such as fruits and nuts. There would have been no trees to live on. Trees take a long time to grow. The arboreal animals would have had nothing to eat and no place to hide from all the hungry predators.
Then there are insectivores. Most insect species would have been wiped out. What did the anteaters eat? This thread presents yet another of the long list of falsifications of the myth of the worldwide flood.
I'd imagine some plants could survive it, coconuts for examples. However the vast majority of land plants could not survive for that long. Not only would they have to survive but they'd have to survive within close proximity to each other. Then some plants would have to pray that certain animals can find them since they can't reproduce without their help.
As for animal decomposition... Judging by road kill cooking on the Texas road side I'd give it 2 days for most predators, a week for vultures and other specialized scavangers with stomachs of iron, 2 weeks for insects. After a few days the carcasses will literally explode and are nothing more than gooey rotted entrails. Used to live by a lake... I'd give fish about the same time frame.
Aside from "God dunnit" there is no way to logically make the story work. You have to invoke magic every other paragraph to make a literal reading work.
If the flood was a literal account of a global disaster, and the waters literally rose to the highest mountain tops in the world, I doubt very much that anything other than seaweed and some fish would survive.
It rained for 40 days and night, but they floated for almost half a year. Now I have seen what soaking an animal body in water for long periods of time will do, and sometimes, it will preserve it longer than letting it lay on the day ground,with sunlight exposure will, but once the waters receded, and they waited 2 months for the ground to dry, there wouldn't be anything cept bones and raw hide left. Plus, a lot of the bodies would have been buried under all of the sediment. Plus, the fish would have had a field day with all of the floating bodies.
And for plants, there are very few plants that can withstand being uprooted, and allowed to soak in salt water for over 6 months. Once the earth dried, they'ld have been as dry as a desert. As for them somehow being able to replant themselves, that's bogus. Even if some of them did, it wouldn't be nearly enough to feed tens of thousands of herbavours.
After the waters receded, it would look a lot like a desert.
And any bodies, and any reminents of sea weed, or fish would have all decomposed within the 2 months they waited.
As for Noak taking enough food, no way in hell is that possible. Lets say it takes 5 pounds a day to feed your average carnivour. Now, I know the ammount is usually a little larger than this, but I'm just going to be lenient here. Now, 40 days + 5 months (just to be nice, even though it was closer to 6 months) + 2 months waiting for the Earth to dry = 8 months, 10 days. That's 250 days. 250 days x 5 pounds a day = 1250 pounds for the whole trip. And this isn't including the plants that were needed for the herbivours, mind you.
Now, whats going to blow you mind here is, that's just for one animal. 5 pounds a day, for 250 days = 1250.
Now, say they had 10 thousand carnivours with them, on 5 pounds a day, for 250 days = 12,500,000.
Still, not including the food for the herbivours.
See, so even using the most lenitient numbers, it's still so impossible, unless you say that "God fixed everything", in which case, what's the use in debating?
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