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Hovind says they only became carnivores after they got off the ark. I suppose that solves the immediate problem, but it does seem to raise one or two others.
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Of these, there are precious few species. 11 species in Family Bovidea (goats, cows, antelope) and only 7 species in family Cervidae (deer). Other familes in the Order Artiodactyla (hooved animals) are ruled out by the rules in Leviticus.
So, it doesn't look like there were nearly enough "clean" animals to satisfy the various hungry carnivores looking to establish their own populations.
See, there were that many, they just went extinct right after the flood
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Evidence of evolution? There are mounds of evidence for evolution. Creationists always come to this site and brashly yell, "Show me just ONE proof of evolution." They literlly have been shown thousands and then they say, "Well that doesn't count...show me one more!""Dr." Dino takes the same approach, nothing will ever count and he will never concede. Mr. Hovind knows there is much evidence of evolution, he makes his living off of the ignorant and they use him as a conduit to reality, although he does not lead then there...which is sad because- they put there trust in this man who not a Dr. nor a scientist. I obtained a feel for your sense of reality, if you think 250,000 dollars would make one, "rich"....
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now for a final point (if the bible is true which i believe it to be) then God created the earth in six days.. do you think he can't grow a little grass over a couple of months? furthermore, do you remember how jesus broke up a few loaves of bread and few thousands? the whole point of Gods miricles is to do the impossible, as a whitness that God is God. think about it, a virgin concieving a child, parting the red sea, turning the shadows back a few degrees.
OK, no prob. Just so long as you realise that once you resort to miracles as an explanation, you're not in science space any more and this stuff doesn't get into science class.
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God also, shortly there after, spread everyone across the world changing their languages. the divine intervention is not something that science can disprove any more than the resurrection of Christ.
you're not in science space any more and this stuff doesn't get into science class.
nope, it should be part of Bible class.
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So, it doesn't look like there were nearly enough "clean" animals to satisfy the various hungry carnivores looking to establish their own populations.
maybe this is what happened to the therapsids, and the dinosaurs and all the other thousands of intermediate species that were created to confuse geologists and scientists.
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God also, shortly there after, spread everyone across the world changing their languages. the divine intervention is not something that science can disprove any more than the resurrection of Christ.
nope, it should be part of Bible class.
Manna? Why Manna, if God is going to miracle food down to them why not just miracle them something they'd normally eat?
I know there are a ton of Christians out there believe the flood story to be myth and for good reason. I'm not sure clinging to non-sensical theories about a story written by ancient man really does anyone a bit of good.
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Pete's calculations show the impossibility of feeding the carnivores post ark without causing mass extinction of prey species but if you want an experimental approach here is an experiment creationists could try. Flood an enclosed area of a few thousand acres with salty water for about 150 days. Get vegetation and seeds from every plant you can think of and let them float in the water. Kill some cows and sheep and pigs and mice and rats and rabbits and let them float around in it. Calculate an amount of carrion animals to be enough to feed the carnivores you will use in the next steps for 6 months to test the creationist claim that carnivores ate carrion post flood. Drain the water out after 150 days and wait a few weeks for the plants to grow to test the creationist claim that plants could have regrown from floating vegetation. I won’t even insist you scrap away all the topsoil as would have happen if a flood that changed all the world’s geology had really occurred. Now turn loose lions and leopards and cheetah and bobcats and feral domestic cats and wolves and sheep and goats and pigs and rabbits and rats. Come back in six months and see what, if anything, is left alive. What do you think will happen?
You could do a parallel experiment and provide feed for the herbivores and see any of them are still alive after 6 months. I don’t think they will be. The idea that two or in a few cases 6 of each "kind" of animal could come off the an into a flood devastated landscape and repopulate the entire earth in a very short time in just plain silly.
Pete's calculations show the impossibility of feeding the carnivores post ark without causing mass extinction of prey species but if you want an experimental approach here is an experiment creationists could try. Flood an enclosed area of a few thousand acres with salty water for about 150 days. Get vegetation and seeds from every plant you can think of and let them float in the water. Kill some cows and sheep and pigs and mice and rats and rabbits and let them float around in it. Calculate an amount of carrion animals to be enough to feed the carnivores you will use in the next steps for 6 months to test the creationist claim that carnivores ate carrion post flood. Drain the water out after 150 days and wait a few weeks for the plants to grow to test the creationist claim that plants could have regrown from floating vegetation. I won’t even insist you scrap away all the topsoil as would have happen if a flood that changed all the world’s geology had really occurred. Now turn loose lions and leopards and cheetah and bobcats and feral domestic cats and wolves and sheep and goats and pigs and rabbits and rats. Come back in six months and see what, if anything, is left alive. What do you think will happen?
You could do a parallel experiment and provide feed for the herbivores and see any of them are still alive after 6 months. I don’t think they will be. The idea that two or in a few cases 6 of each "kind" of animal could come off the an into a flood devastated landscape and repopulate the entire earth in a very short time in just plain silly.
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hehe, you forget the inclusion of throwing in a load of marsupials and monotremes, who should all huddle in a corner together, completely uninterrupted and undisturbed by the ravaging lions.
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God also, shortly there after, spread everyone across the world changing their languages. the divine intervention is not something that science can disprove any more than the resurrection of Christ.
Nope- they spread themselves in search of food and languages evolved. Also, this does not account for the three major races of people. By the way, just because science cannot "disprove" something does not make it true by default. Science has no comment in Philosophical realms such as religion and resurrection(s) of Deities is one of those areas. It does however comment on scientific claims made by religious fanaticals, such as a global flood.
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"Dr." Dino takes the same approach, nothing will ever count and he will never concede. Mr. Hovind knows there is much evidence of evolution, he makes his living off of the ignorant and they use him as a conduit to reality, although he does not lead then there...which is sad because- they put there trust in this man who not a Dr. nor a scientist. I obtained a feel for your sense of reality, if you think 250,000 dollars would make one, "rich".... 
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