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Old 16th February 2004, 02:41 PM
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Alert Again another question

I am not into this belief. But I am trying to think about joining.

Yet that'd be hard cause I am in love with a Jew.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>More to the point [this isn't to start a war or anything, I am just looking for answers]

Anyways, how many animals were actually mentioned in the Arc?

How many exist now?

How many were never mentioned, but do exist now?



How can the Arc exist if it can't account for certain animals that do exist now???
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Old 16th February 2004, 02:44 PM
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Well as far as evidence says there was no Ark XD,
but it says he took 7 of each clean beast and 2 of every unclean.
But it doesn't say how many or what kind.
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The common answer is that one of each "kind" was taken on the ark. What is a kind? I dont know and few are willing to define it. The idea is that a form of constrained evolution happend, giving us diversity in each kind, but no kind can ever evolve beyond its kind.

Depending on how you define kind, it changes the number of animals on the ark.
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Typical estimates I've seen puts the number of animals (or is that pairs of animals) ranging from a few thousand up to 20 thousand or so.

As Arikay said, without a rigorous definition of "kind", it becomes impossible to nail down a number. Likewise, it's also difficult to tell which animals were excluded from the Ark. Some creationists would have insects being excluded, but given the supposed catastrophic nature of the flood, it becomes difficult to think how they would have survived otherwise (although, given the catastrophic nature of the flood it's a wonder the Ark itself survived, but this is creationists begin inserting miracles to rescue their idea).
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According to John Woodmorapppe there were approx 16,000 animals on the ark.

After the flood they were released and were fruitfull and multiplied. Speciation occured to produce the wde variety of animals that we have today.

For example there was a large cat kind on the ark. No Lions and no Tigers. I don't know what that cat kind looked like.

We do know that the lion and tiger are members of the same cat kind because a lion and tiger can mate and produce offspring.
Sometime after being left off of the ark the lion and tiger MICRO-evolved from the original ark cat kind.
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How long ago did this "ark" thing happen?

It takes thousands, if not millions of years for a creature to evolve from one to another if the "ark" was filled with a limited amount of creatures.

For example, it took 7 million years for the horse to evolve into what it is now.
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The ark thing was about 4000 years ago

The horse never evolved.

You need to learn about diversity already present within the current gene pool.
Check out micro-evolution
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This again depends on who you talk to. Its generally between 4500 and 4350 years ago.

Remember, you need to compress everything down to around 6000 years. So the animals hyperevolved, quickly changing right after the flood, then all of a sudden the hyper evolution stops and reverts to the slower type of evolution.





Originally Posted by UtahRaptor
How long ago did this "ark" thing happen?

It takes thousands, if not millions of years for a creature to evolve from one to another if the "ark" was filled with a limited amount of creatures.

For example, it took 7 million years for the horse to evolve into what it is now.
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We do know that the lion and tiger are members of the same cat kind because a lion and tiger can mate and produce offspring.
Yes, but the offspring are always sterile.
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Originally Posted by nyj
Yes, but the offspring are always sterile.
Their offspring might be sterile, which shows that the evolution has a limit.
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