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16th February 2004, 04:27 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,693) | | Originally Posted by DURANG0 The Mountain Lion and the Cheetah are different kinds.
One belongs to the Felis genus while the other belongs to the Acinonyx genus.
So just because they are different in genera, they are different "kinds"? Again, higher taxonomic classifications are somewhat arbitrary (in fact, the genera classifications of the Felidae family have been redefined). So what is the biological reasons for determining different kinds? Hybridization? Something more?
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16th February 2004, 04:34 PM
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Reps: 224,390 (power: 259) | | Originally Posted by UtahRaptor Only bacteria can do that. So unless they were bacteria.
Not even this comment is accurate. Bacteria only seem to "evolve" more quickly because their generation time is in minutes ( Escherichia coli in a rich medium can replicate in 20 minutes), rather than years (the average Homo sapiens takes 20 years to mature (emotionally, not physically) before reproducing). If you look at the number of "replications" though, rather than just looking at a select period of time, this idea of "hyperevolution" doesn't make sense for anything.
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16th February 2004, 04:45 PM
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Reps: 19,183,710,574,649,584 (power: 19,183,710,574,664) | | Originally Posted by DURANG0 According to John Woodmorapppe there were approx 16,000 animals on the ark.
After the flood they were released and were fruitfull and multiplied. Speciation occured to produce the wde variety of animals that we have today.
For example there was a large cat kind on the ark. No Lions and no Tigers. I don't know what that cat kind looked like.
We do know that the lion and tiger are members of the same cat kind because a lion and tiger can mate and produce offspring.
Sometime after being left off of the ark the lion and tiger MICRO-evolved from the original ark cat kind.
I have Woodmorappe's totally bogus book. What a hoot! The idea that 8 people could care for 16,000 animals of nearly 8,000 different kinds is so totally silly that it is hard to believe that even YECs would fall for the idea that it is feasible. I'll dig up my analysis on this and post it soon if I can't find it in an old thread.
I guess the microevolution must have happened pretty fast. I think you will find that the Ancient Egyptians knew both lions and tigers. Of course they also failed to notice that a worldwide flood was going on so maybe they don't count.
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16th February 2004, 04:55 PM
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Reps: 9,311,669,886,675,212 (power: 9,311,669,886,693) | | Originally Posted by Frumious Bandersnatch I guess the microevolution must have happened pretty fast. I think you will find that the Ancient Egyptians knew both lions and tigers. Of course they also failed to notice that a worldwide flood was going on so maybe they don't count.
Indeed. Here's a case of a mummified lion dating back to a few centuries BC. This further compresses the amount of evolution that must have occurred post-flood.
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16th February 2004, 05:04 PM
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Reps: 19,183,710,574,649,584 (power: 19,183,710,574,664) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff Indeed. Here's a case of a mummified lion dating back to a few centuries BC. This further compresses the amount of evolution that must have occurred post-flood.
According to this site cats began to appear in Egyptian art about 2600 BC http://www.paralumun.com/egyptcat.htm
which is before the flood date set by AiG. As I said on another thread the Egyptians just failed to notice the worldwide flood. It is also clear that they had fully domesticated cats by 1600 BC.
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16th February 2004, 05:05 PM
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Reps: 224,390 (power: 259) | | Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff Indeed. Here's a case of a mummified lion dating back to a few centuries BC.
Of course, this will be countered with the claim that the dating methods are flawed.
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16th February 2004, 05:18 PM
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16th February 2004, 05:34 PM
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Reps: 667 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by obediah001 There is NO possible way that something can be dated useing ANY dating method; none of the dating schemes are of any merit
So, how old is the earth then? What dating method do you use? |
16th February 2004, 05:35 PM
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Reps: 60,014,717,072,303,280 (power: 60,014,717,072,316) | | Originally Posted by DURANG0 Don't forget Noahs sons each had a wife. Who knows what their "race" were.
Mmmmm... so Ham had a Chinese wife. She gave birth not to Jewish/Chinese kids, but purely Chinese children. Who promptly moved away from the middle east and settled in China. Shem was married to an Eskimo and Japheth a Polynesian. They all promptly had kids, not of mixed race of course, and then they picked up and moved across oceans and mountains. Settling all in one place, never leaving behind anything that would suggest they'd been there. Of course, now there are no Jewish or Arab children... no Caucasians.
Oh, and of course those women of other races renounced their beliefs to marry into the family of a Jewish Patriarch and then moved back to their homelands where they renounced Judaism and reconverted back to Buddism or shamanism or whatever...
Not to mention we got Pygmies too! Where did they come from?
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16th February 2004, 05:37 PM
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Reps: 60,014,717,072,303,280 (power: 60,014,717,072,316) | | Originally Posted by obediah001 There is NO possible way that something can be dated useing ANY dating method; none of the dating schemes are of any merit
In other words, they don't agree with what you wish to read in the Bible, thus they can't be accurate. This too is absurd. | | |
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