Home | Be a Christian | Devotionals | Join Us! | Forums | Rules | F.A.Q.


Go Back   Christian Forums > Society > Society > Physical & Life Sciences > Creation & Evolution
Register BlogsPrayersJobsArcade Members List Calendar Mark Forums Read

Creation & Evolution Forum for the discussion of this important topic. This forum is open to non-believers. There is a Christians-only forum in the Christians-only section too.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11  
Old 16th February 2004, 03:35 PM
DURANG0's Avatar
Evolution is a Religion

Faith: Christian Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 8th February 2004
Posts: 310
Blessings: 34,738
Reps: 13 (power: 0)
DURANG0 is on a distinguished road
Originally Posted by Arikay
This again depends on who you talk to. Its generally between 4500 and 4350 years ago.

Remember, you need to compress everything down to around 6000 years. So the animals hyperevolved, quickly changing right after the flood, then all of a sudden the hyper evolution stops and reverts to the slower type of evolution.
Which makes perfect sense.

The speciation would have grown and have been facilitated at an exponential rate due to the changing characteristics of the enviroment coupled with the also changing physical conditions of their surroundings after the flood. Currently things are a bit more settled and the world wide niches are not changing at the same rate which led to the rapid speciation.
Reply With Quote
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!

  #12  
Old 16th February 2004, 03:35 PM
nyj's Avatar
Goodbye, my puppy

Gender: Male Faith: Catholic Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 5th February 2002
Location: South Carolina
Posts: 24,145
Blessings: 252,760
Reps: 224,390 (power: 256)
nyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud of
nyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud ofnyj has much to be proud of
Originally Posted by DURANG0
Their offspring might be sterile, which shows that the evolution has a limit.
I think it shows that they have evolved to the point where they are no longer "compatible" with one another for mating purposes. Something which would take a rather long time to occur. Do they have a common ancestor, I think that goes without question, the question is... how far back does one need to go to get to that ancestor.
__________________
Out here in the fields, I fight for my meals. I get my back into my living. I don't need to fight, to prove I'm right. I don't need to be forgiven.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 16th February 2004, 03:35 PM
Arikay's Avatar
HI

26 Gender: Male Faith: Taoist Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 23rd January 2003
Posts: 12,645
Blessings: 34,823
Reps: 5,365 (power: 24)
Arikay is a name known to all
Arikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to all
Um, no it doesn't. But it does show something else...

Originally Posted by DURANG0
Their offspring might be sterile, which shows that the evolution has a limit.
__________________

Wei wu wei

Green faeries
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 16th February 2004, 03:35 PM
Pete Harcoff's Avatar
PeteAce - In memory of WinAce

31 Gender: Male Faith: Agnostic Party: CA-Greens Country: Canada Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 30th June 2002
Location: Frozen North
Posts: 8,326
Blessings: 37,839
Reps: 725,036,280,678 (power: 725,036,296)
Pete Harcoff has disabled reputation
Originally Posted by DURANG0
For example there was a large cat kind on the ark. No Lions and no Tigers. I don't know what that cat kind looked like.

We do know that the lion and tiger are members of the same cat kind because a lion and tiger can mate and produce offspring.
Sometime after being left off of the ark the lion and tiger MICRO-evolved from the original ark cat kind.
Given the diversity of the Felidae family, that would be macroevolution, not only into different species, but also different genera. Odd, I thought you didn't accept that level of evolution?
__________________
Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 16th February 2004, 03:35 PM
obediah001's Avatar
Senior Member

47 Gender: Male Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 13th July 2003
Location: Thayer Missouri
Posts: 633
Blessings: 34,920
Reps: 14 (power: 0)
obediah001 is on a distinguished road
How on earth do you know it took 7 million years for the horse to evolve; especially so when even the idea of so called evolution is itself in question. Even the late evolutioist Stephen Gould said there are no transitional forms in the fossil; record & here you are saying we KNOW the horsie has evolved in 7 million years. Somebody is BAD wrong here & Gould being a super evolutionist I believe him !
Reply With Quote
  #16  
Old 16th February 2004, 03:38 PM
Arikay's Avatar
HI

26 Gender: Male Faith: Taoist Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 23rd January 2003
Posts: 12,645
Blessings: 34,823
Reps: 5,365 (power: 24)
Arikay is a name known to all
Arikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to allArikay is a name known to all
The funny part is that some creationists mistakenly argue against this hyper evolution.

To get back to our friends questions, it is often said by creationists that these main "kinds" were the most genetically diverse of their kinds, they then "deevolved" to what we see today.

obediah001: Source please (of gould).

Originally Posted by DURANG0
Which makes perfect sense.

The speciation would have grown and have been facilitated at an exponential rate due to the changing characteristics of the enviroment coupled with the also changing physical conditions of their surroundings after the flood. Currently things are a bit more settled and the world wide niches are not changing at the same rate which led to the rapid speciation.
__________________

Wei wu wei

Green faeries
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 16th February 2004, 03:42 PM
obediah001's Avatar
Senior Member

47 Gender: Male Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 13th July 2003
Location: Thayer Missouri
Posts: 633
Blessings: 34,920
Reps: 14 (power: 0)
obediah001 is on a distinguished road
I like the hyper evolution better than the slow long ages type, cause there are NO (as Gould stated) transitional forms in the fossil record; so I ask why are there so many folks still supporting a false theory of long age evolution when the hyper evolution better explains the abscence of fossils, scientifically of course?
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 16th February 2004, 03:45 PM
DURANG0's Avatar
Evolution is a Religion

Faith: Christian Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 8th February 2004
Posts: 310
Blessings: 34,738
Reps: 13 (power: 0)
DURANG0 is on a distinguished road
Originally Posted by Pete Harcoff
Given the diversity of the Felidae family, that would be macroevolution, not only into different species, but also different genera. Odd, I thought you didn't accept that level of evolution?
They evolved into different genera? I don't think so. There was a couple of cat kinds on the ark. You should knowby now what happened when they were released from the ark.
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 16th February 2004, 03:46 PM
DURANG0's Avatar
Evolution is a Religion

Faith: Christian Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 8th February 2004
Posts: 310
Blessings: 34,738
Reps: 13 (power: 0)
DURANG0 is on a distinguished road
Originally Posted by obediah001
I like the hyper evolution better than the slow long ages type, cause there are NO (as Gould stated) transitional forms in the fossil record; so I ask why are there so many folks still supporting a false theory of long age evolution when the hyper evolution better explains the abscence of fossils, scientifically of course?
Actually the flood explains the gap in the fossil record better than PE.
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 16th February 2004, 03:47 PM
Phred's Avatar
Junior Mint

Gender: Male Married Faith: Atheist Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 12th August 2003
Posts: 3,648
Blessings: 38,116
My Mood Cynical
Reps: 716,815,664 (power: 716,825)
Phred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond repute
Phred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond reputePhred has a reputation beyond repute
Do you believe Noah was white? Brown? Black? Tell me, how did all the races of man come to be in 4,000 years from one family?
Reply With Quote
Reply


Return to Creation & Evolution

Thread Tools
Display Modes



 
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!
All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:32 PM.


vBCredits v1.4 Copyright ©2007 - 2008, PixelFX Studios