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In the past I have challenged the readers of various forums to show me a smooth transition of one species evolving into another species INWHICH it is now a representative of a different taxonomic rank of Family.
To date I have seen NO hard core evidence. It has become apparent that mutations do not collect over time and create morphological changes.
I here-by now challenge the Christian Forum evos to present the evidence.
Remember, it must show a smooth fossilized transition of one species evolving into another species INWHICH it is now a representative of a different taxonomic rank of Family...or the develepment of a new body part or appendage from scratch or an existing body part or appendage.
It seems to me and other creationist, if evolution happened in the fashion as taught through gradual changes the fossil record should support the theory with NO gaps.
WHY do I say that?
Currently there are millions of fossils in our museums that have been collected since the days of Darwin more than a century ago. Certainly there must be one completed smooth series of transitional species in which the evolutionist can present as evidence for MACRO-evolution above the speciation level.
One more think, spam links to certain sites such as Talk.Origins will not be considered as proof. One of the reasons being is that I have no clue as to just what portion of that site you want me to visit, nor do I have any desire to refute every statement presented on that page as I don't have enough time to address all the spam.
Present the info here in your own words if you desire a reply from me.
In the past I have challenged the readers of various forums to show me a smooth transition of one species evolving into another species INWHICH it is now a representative of a different taxonomic rank of Family.
Kingdom --> phylum --> class --> order --> family --> genus --> species.
So... are you asking for one species changing to another, or one family changing to another?
To date I have seen NO hard core evidence. It has become apparent that mutations do not collect over time and create morphological changes.
And you came to this conclusion how...?
I here-by now challenge the Christian Forum evos to present the evidence.
Which, like every scrap of evidence presented to you in the past, will be summarily ignored.
Remember, it must show a smooth fossilized transition of one species evolving into another species INWHICH it is now a representative of a different taxonomic rank of Family...or the develepment of a new body part or appendage from scratch or an existing body part or appendage.
How smooth do you want it? If I showed you a series of photographs of a snowball rolling down a 20-foot hill, how many photos would you want?
Durango: "AHA! There's a gap! There's NO photo of the snowball when it was 4 feet and 6 3/4 inches down the hill, so it never happend!"
It seems to me and other creationist, if evolution happened in the fashion as taught through gradual changes the fossil record should support the theory with NO gaps.
It seems to me that you know precious little about the fossil record, and you have some sort of bizarre notion that what we know of the fossil record is all we'll ever know.
Poor Durango -- still looking for a gap to shoehorn his God into...
WHY do I say that?
Currently there are millions of fossils in our museums that have been collected since the days of Darwin more than a century ago. Certainly there must be one completed smooth series of transitional species in which the evolutionist can present as evidence for MACRO-evolution above the speciation level.
One more think, spam links to certain sites such as Talk.Origins will not be considered as proof. One of the reasons being is that I have no clue as to just what portion of that site you want me to visit, nor do I have any desire to refute every statement presented on that page as I don't have enough time to address all the spam.
Will you be doing any of the work yourself, or shall we chew your food for you as well, while we're at it?
Present the info here in your own words if you desire a reply from me.
Fine. Here are my own words:
Your "challenge" is an absurdly rigged scenario, with a...rbitrary rules, and yourself as the final authority, which you have no obvious intention of taking seriously.
Self-respecting educated minds are going to steer clear of this trap, which was flawed from your first sentence, and ignore you.
You will then claim some hollow victory over us evolutionists, and continue on spewing tripe.
Kent Hovind would be proud.
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I thought their requests were pretty logical. They appear to be asking you to explain what your expectations and definitions are so that they can properly respond.
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The game of dodge ball has already began by nathan and jet------as expected.
Never mind fellows.
And now another exciting episode of Fishing for Martyrdom!
Really you shouldn't field questions with the intent of receiving insults so as to discredit the other side. Also you would help to gain the respect of those here, should you want it, by responding to your other threads.
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And now another exciting episode of Fishing for Martyrdom!
Really you shouldn't field questions with the intent of receiving insults so as to discredit the other side. Also you would help to gain the respect of those here, should you want it, by responding to your other threads.
Come to think of it, I never got a response on my request for an example of studies supporting creationism.
__________________ Greatest Hovind quote of all time, as voted for by members of CF:
"Teaching the pagan religion of evolutionism is a waste of valuable class time and textbook space. It is also one of the reasons American kids don't test as well in science as kids in other parts of the world."
And now another exciting episode of Fishing for Martyrdom!
Really you shouldn't field questions with the intent of receiving insults so as to discredit the other side. Also you would help to gain the respect of those here, should you want it, by responding to your other threads.
I had already received the insults.
I have noticed this concerning evos, when the actual science gets to deep they rely on insults and ad-homs as a defense.
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