How was Jesus Baptized?

plmarquette · #31 6th October 2004, 02:17 PM

Originally Posted by TheScottsMen

Was Jesus baptized by immersion or by sprinkling? Prove your answer from scripture.

pick up vines expository dictionary , look up verses for baptism ,
greek workd " baptizo " which means to " immerse "

immersedingrace · #32 6th October 2004, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by TheScottsMen

Was Jesus baptized by immersion or by sprinkling? Prove your answer from scripture.

I found two verses from scripture that would support immersion - Matthew 3:16 and Acts 8:36 (even thought it's not Jesus' baptism, we're to be baptized with HIS baptism - Matt. 20:23; Mark 10:39; Eph. 4:2)

I found nothing to suggest any other type of baptism.

Originally Posted by Yitzchak

One such situation which comes to my mind is an extremly ill person who is bedridden and gets saved.

It is taught that immersion is best since it most closely resembles the example of scripture. However it is reasoned that the basic heart attitude can be right and obedient when practical concerns reccomend other methods such as sprinkling.

I'm fairly certain that someone who was ill, and was unable to be fully immersed would still be considered "baptized" if sprinkling were all that were done. I fully believe in immersion, and when that is practical, then to do otherwise, IMO, would be pride. When all is said and done, however, God is the judge of our heart, and as long as we do it for the right reasons, then, who am I, or anyone else to say it's invalid?

Originally Posted by Tavita

I'm not fully conversant with it, but to be baptised, it had to be done in flowing water too. The mikvah's were built to have water flowing in and out, it couldn't be done in still water. It does have special meaning. I could find all the notes I have.... but it's late at night... if you really want me to, I could find them tomorrow....Tavita

That would be interesting to find out. I haven't seen that to be baptized in flowing water was necessary, although, the Jordan was most certainly flowing

Originally Posted by Laserman

Hi,
Just because Jesus went down into the water and came back up out of the water after He was baptised , this does not porve immersion. He could have walked down into the water and had water poured on His head and walked out. That is simply a weak argument for immersion. You can't be so dogmatic on such weak evidence.

Well, if you walked into water, you would be at least partially immersed.

Originally Posted by Laserman

The main idea of Baptism is not the death burial and ressurection, it's the pictorial cleansing from sin.Barry

Main idea perhaps (10 verses would suggest this - Matthew 3:6,7,11,; Mark 1:4; Luke 3:7; 3:3; Acts 2:38; Acts 13:11; Acts 19:4; Acts 22:4 ), but not the ONLY reason. I found 2 passages that would suggest the baptism to be symbolic of death, burial, and resurrection (Romans 6:4-5; and Colossians 2:12)

Originally Posted by Zayit

Did he do this for a remission of sins? How could that be? He was sinless. So why did John immerse him?

He was and IS sinless. I believe John baptized Him: A. because He wanted to humble Himself; and B. to symbolize, His death, burial, and resurrection.

Originally Posted by Beowulf

So to illustrate what needed to be taught Jesus too was baptised. He did quite a few things not for His benefit but for those around Him.

I agree. I believe He was showing His humility.

Originally Posted by Zayit

The time he came to him and why many were coming to John was because of the time of the year it was, the "Fall feasts". Yom Teruah is the feast of the blowing of trumpets. It is seen as a call to repentance, of turning back to the L-rd and repenting of your sins between this day and the day of Atonement.

Is there scripture to back this up?

Originally Posted by Zayit

Jesus was being sanctified to G-d to start his ministry.

I believe this may have been part of the reason, but can you back it up with scripture?

Originally Posted by Laserman

Why do fundamentalist insist that baptism pictures the death, burial and ressurrection? Where in the Bible to do get that from? Baptism pictures the cleansing from sin by the Blood of Christ. I see nothing in scipture to say it symbolizes anything else.

Look at these scriptures and the surrounding passages: Romans 6:4-5 and Colossians 2:12

blessings

Sephania · #33 6th October 2004, 04:25 PM

Is there scripture to back this up?

Yes, it is in the Torah. John was of the Levitical tribe, thus an sanctified priest unto the L-rd, by the L-rD himself. John was not raised in the temple nor did he perform in the temple because it was corupt. That is why he lived in the wilderness and recieved his teachings there. Did anyone ever think why all a sudden he comes out of the wilderness and starts telling people that he is preparing the way for the L-RD? Did you know that he had his own disciples? Two that became Jesus first disciples because they were looking for him to come.

Where do you find in the Bible the disciples getting baptized?

immersedingrace · #34 6th October 2004, 07:04 PM

Originally Posted by Zayit

Yes, it is in the Torah.

Is it possible for you to give the references?

Did anyone ever think why all a sudden he comes out of the wilderness and starts telling people that he is preparing the way for the L-RD?

Because it was his destiny to.

Did you know that he had his own disciples? Two that became Jesus first disciples because they were looking for him to come.

Yes, I was aware of this

Where do you find in the Bible the disciples getting baptized?

Hmmm...I'm not sure if you're asking me because you think I posted this (which I didn't

) or if you're asking me If I have scriptures telling that they were, which, off the top of my head I don't (and don't know if it exists), but will go back and look.

Blessings

immersedingrace · #35 6th October 2004, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Zayit

Where do you find in the Bible the disciples getting baptized?

Ok, there are no specific verses which directly states that the disciples were baptized. However, the following indicates that they were:

Matthew 20:20-27 talks of the Son's of Zebedee, James and John. It doesn't say they WERE baptized but it says "Ye shall drink indeed of my cup, and be baptized with the baptism that I am baptized with" (Again in Mark 10: 35-40)

John 4:1-2 indicates that disciples were baptized, but I'm guessing that you were referring to the 12 and not any and all disciples. Either way, this verse supports us being baptized today, as we are considered disciples of Christ. I'm throwing that out there for those who may believe that baptism isn't for today.

In Acts 2:38-41 Peter is telling people to "Repent, and be baptized every one of you". Just my own suppostition here, but I believe it would be hypocritical of him to command (as that's what it sounds like to my "ears") that when he himself hadn't been baptized. In Acts 10:46-48, Peter again "commands" people to be baptized. My supposition holds here as well.

Acts 8:12 Philip is preaching "the things concerning the kingdom of God...and they were baptized". Again, just my suppostition, but seems like it would have been hypocritical for the disciples to baptize, or expect other's to be baptized if they indeed were not.

Although I believe I've been thorough (I LOVE my e-bible), it's possible I may have missed some, so please, let me know.

Blessings.

TheScottsMen · #36 10th October 2004, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by plmarquette

pick up vines expository dictionary , look up verses for baptism ,
greek workd " baptizo " which means to " immerse "

At Jesus baptism, we see Him coming as the High priest of Israel which was to be a nation of priest.

"And you shall be to Me a kingdom of priests and a holy nation. These are the words which you shall speak to the children of Israel" (Ex. 19:6).

"But you shall be named the priests of the LORD, They shall call you the servants of our God. You shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory you shall boast" (Isa. 61:6).

Peter speaking to the dispersion, "But you are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, His own special people...having your conduct honorable among the Gentiles..." (I Pet. 2:9,12)."

When priests were ordained, the Law prescribed certain rituals to be followed, including washing them with water (Ex. 29:4). That ceremonial washing was performed at Jesus' baptism.

So the question now becomes, how was the washing of water? Was it by immersion? Sense the baptism is the baptism of the Jewish nation to become priest, lets look at OT use of water and baptism.

Hebrews 9:10 refers to the frequent Old Covenant use of water when it says, "They [the ceremonial laws of the Old Covenant] were only a matter of food and drink and various ceremonial washings--external regulations applying until the time of the new order."

So what of this word, "washings" ? The original word is "baptismois," i.e. "baptisms." The writer of Hebrews, to put it simply, refers to "various baptisms" which were practiced under the Old Covenant.

One can find all types of baptism throughout the OT.

But what about... Mark 1:10 "As Jesus was coming up out of the water, He saw heaven being torn open..." and Matthew 3:16, "As soon as Jesus was baptized, He went up out of the water."

Does these veses say that Jesus was immersed? Try to move the immersionist view for a sec and just read it as a simple sentence. Does the above verses say that was immersed or only that He stood in the water, was baptized, and then walked out of the water? Put another way, does the phrase "went up out of the water" describe the action of baptism or does it describe an action following baptism?

What about Philip?

Acts 8:27 And he arose and went: and, behold, a man of Ethiopia, an eunuch of great authority under Candace queen of the Ethiopians, who had the charge of all her treasure, and had come to Jerusalem for to worship,

Philip goes down to baptize the Ethiopian. Now, lets read this with the same view as some do with Christ and "come up out of the water" view to mean he was under the water.

38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.

If we are to read this that, "come out up of the water" means to be immersed, then we must reason that BOTH Philip and the Ethiopian both went under and both were baptized as it says, "when they were come up out of the water".

Sephania · #37 10th October 2004, 03:04 PM

In a tradtional Jewish mikvah no one immerses another, you would immerse yourself fully under the water and then come up out of it. If you look at ancient mikvahs you will see that they contain steps leading down into the water and different steps sometimes leading up out.

Many are confused on this point as they have witnesses a pastor or preacher holding his hand behind a persons back and basically pushing them down into the water and out again, but that is not biblical. A person voluntarily does this with no one holding them, they are there for a witness or to speak to that person about why they are doing it but they don't "assist" them.

Sephania · #38 10th October 2004, 03:31 PM

Actually sprinkling does occur in the Torah but it is with blood or the ashes of the red heifer to cleanse certain things.

Check out this page of pictures, Modern Mikvah ( Baptism) you will notice that there is someone holding a microphone so the persons testemony can be heard but that they are alone in the mikvah, to immerse themselves.

Sephania · #39 10th October 2004, 03:37 PM

Here is an ancient mikvah in Israel http://home.att.net/~davepride/Israel/DeadSea_02.htm

immersedingrace · #40 10th October 2004, 05:32 PM

Originally Posted by Zayit

Actually sprinkling does occur in the Torah but it is with blood or the ashes of the red heifer to cleanse certain things.

Check out this page of pictures, http://home.att.net/~davepride/Israel/DeadSea_02.htm you will notice that there is someone holding a microphone so the persons testemony can be heard but that they are alone in the mikvah, to immerse themselves.

There are no people on the page you linked to

Is there a different page you meant to link to ?

Blessings