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Old 14th February 2004, 09:18 AM
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Another Romans 1:20 moment

ROM 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

The butterfly is an example of Gods handiwork. If you examine the life cycle of the butterfly you will see that creation with design and purpose is the only reasonable means for the existence of this insect.

The butterfly hatches from an egg that has been stuck to a plant and a larva crawls out and starts to munch out on the leaves. After a while he grows into an adult caterpillar with distingue markings on his body. These markings aid in his camaflage or makes him look undesirable and thus help him survive. The caterpillar at this time has 12 segments to his body and a skin that does not grow which must be shed a few times in this cycle. After a while the mature caterpillar hooks onto a twig and using a liquid from his spinneret attaches to a twig or leaf . The pupas thorax swell and splits his skin. Wave like motions then roll the skin off towards the rear. This exposes the soft front parts of the pupa. The rear of the pupa body is still covered with skin which is called the cremaster . The pupa then slips out of the cremaster and attaches firmly to the silk button without falling. To accomplish this amazing feat the pupa must grasp the old skin between folds in his body. Then the pupa pulls the cremaster out swings it up to catch the silk button and then straightens out his body. The pupa now has a bare body that is quickly formed over with a hard shell. (Just imagine if the pupa missed one of those steps, that would mean no caterpillar. How did this evolve?)
During the metamorphosis the pupa turns into a “jelly like substance” and the structure then changes into a butterfly.
After a while a winged insect with a head thorax and abdomom crawls out and flys away. The butterfly then lays eggs and the cycle repeats itself.
On the surface the butterfly looks simple enough, but anybody knows that he is quite complex. Some of the stumbling blocks for the evolutionist is how did the caterpillar evolve? By this question I mean what kind of mutations would allow the caterpillar to go through his metamorphosis? How did he learn how to make his cocoon so quick and so precise when a incomplete partially evolved cocoon/process would not work properly. This would then lead rather quickly to his extinction before he even had a chance to become a butterfly. Now, somewhere along the line the DNA coding had to change in order for the caterpillar to turn to into a “jelly” like substance. Next more DNA changes thru mutation would have to occur in order for the “jelly” like substance to know how to turn into a body with wings, legs, brain, heart etc.
If the mutation wasn’t complete or fully evolved the butterfly could not exist. How would the “jelly” like substance know what to change into?
The butterfly has to go through 4 complicated life cycles changing from one style to another. It’s obvious that there is way to much going on here for evolution to work.
The logical conclusion is that the butterfly with all of its odd characteristics was created with purpose and design by an intelligent being.
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Old 14th February 2004, 09:24 AM
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ohh looky... incredulity.
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Actually, that verse to me says we should accept what we find as we study the creation to be how God actually created. And what does this creation tell us? That the world is old and life in the past is much different than life today.
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I wonder what Bothriomyrmex Regicidus and B. Decapitans say about God then. Dicrocoelium dendriticum is another nice one. I wonder what that says.
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Once again the followers of evolutionism resort to mocking rather than using science to explain a situation.
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would you actually pay attention if we told you about the intermediates though?
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I wonder what Bothriomyrmex Regicidus and B. Decapitans say about God then. Dicrocoelium dendriticum is another nice one. I wonder what that says.
That God is telling us to watch what we drink? (not sure what the organisms you mention are, I'm just guessing.)
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Old 14th February 2004, 10:07 AM
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close, but they aren't human parasites. they are all ant parasites. Bothriomyrmex Regicidus is an ant whose queen sneaks into another ant nest. she then finds the queens chamber and releases a pheromone which induces the worker ants to kill their own queen, and start tending to the new invader. The new invader starts laying eggs which take over the hive and then produces more queens. Decapitans is another example, only rather than using pheromones, the queen carries out the only task that she is reallz specialised for - slowly cutting off the head of the other queen. Dicrocoelium dendriticum ... notice the dendriticum (dendrites in the brain) is a brain worm. This worm along with up to fifty of it's brethren infects an ant, and one buries itself into the suboesophagal ganglion of an ant and changes it's behaviour so that it climbs to the top of the grass stems where it clamps it's jaws into the grass to stay there until it gets eaten by a sheep - it's definitive host. At midday though it travels down the grass stem though, because it would be bad for the brainworms if the ant overheated and died, so it controls the ant to stay somewhere cooler until the sun goes down a bit.
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Once again the followers of evolutionism resort to mocking rather than using science to explain a situation.
We used science to explain your last Romans 1:20 thread; you ignored it.
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Originally Posted by Jet Black
would you actually pay attention if we told you about the intermediates though?
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