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Pusherbot, then instead of arguing wiht me, then why not say-----We don't know.
I'm not arguing with you, but if I were the point that I would argue isthe part of your post that suggests that it is God's handiwork. This is a logical fallacy, just because we can't explain X at the moment, doesn't mean we won't be able to explain X in the future. I believe the fallacy you made is known as argument ad incredulity.
Well atleast you admitt evolutionism is nothing but sheer speculation.
that's a start.
Thou shalt not bear false witness.
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I was just trying to get a few of you guys to post the science behind the mutation.
It seem as if the evo blindly accept that mutations occur, are selected, add up and produce a morphological change.
When asked how-----they run.
I posted a link in another thread; you refused to click on it. Who's running?
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Yeah I saw the TO thing to, too bad he doesn't want to go there...
Why should he? When the faith is based on ignorance, knowledge becomes the enemy.
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ROM 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
The butterfly is an example of Gods handiwork. If you examine the life cycle of the butterfly you will see that creation with design and purpose is the only reasonable means for the existence of this insect.
The butterfly hatches from an egg that has been stuck to a plant and a larva crawls out and starts to munch out on the leaves. After a while he grows into an adult caterpillar with distingue markings on his body. These markings aid in his camaflage or makes him look undesirable and thus help him survive. The caterpillar at this time has 12 segments to his body and a skin that does not grow which must be shed a few times in this cycle. After a while the mature caterpillar hooks onto a twig and using a liquid from his spinneret attaches to a twig or leaf . The pupas thorax swell and splits his skin. Wave like motions then roll the skin off towards the rear. This exposes the soft front parts of the pupa. The rear of the pupa body is still covered with skin which is called the cremaster . The pupa then slips out of the cremaster and attaches firmly to the silk button without falling. To accomplish this amazing feat the pupa must grasp the old skin between folds in his body. Then the pupa pulls the cremaster out swings it up to catch the silk button and then straightens out his body. The pupa now has a bare body that is quickly formed over with a hard shell. (Just imagine if the pupa missed one of those steps, that would mean no caterpillar. How did this evolve?)
During the metamorphosis the pupa turns into a “jelly like substance” and the structure then changes into a butterfly.
After a while a winged insect with a head thorax and abdomom crawls out and flys away. The butterfly then lays eggs and the cycle repeats itself.
On the surface the butterfly looks simple enough, but anybody knows that he is quite complex. Some of the stumbling blocks for the evolutionist is how did the caterpillar evolve? By this question I mean what kind of mutations would allow the caterpillar to go through his metamorphosis? How did he learn how to make his cocoon so quick and so precise when a incomplete partially evolved cocoon/process would not work properly. This would then lead rather quickly to his extinction before he even had a chance to become a butterfly. Now, somewhere along the line the DNA coding had to change in order for the caterpillar to turn to into a “jelly” like substance. Next more DNA changes thru mutation would have to occur in order for the “jelly” like substance to know how to turn into a body with wings, legs, brain, heart etc.
If the mutation wasn’t complete or fully evolved the butterfly could not exist. How would the “jelly” like substance know what to change into?
The butterfly has to go through 4 complicated life cycles changing from one style to another. It’s obvious that there is way to much going on here for evolution to work.
The logical conclusion is that the butterfly with all of its odd characteristics was created with purpose and design by an intelligent being.
I do not know much about insect evolution, but I did a Google search with the terms: Lepidoptera metamorphosis evolution, and got 1,830 hits. I would suggest you do the same and read a few of the web pages that pop up. If you have any specific questions that you can't find an answer to, post it. In a following post you asked for intermediates... please keep in mind that details of metamorphosis in an extinct intermediate are highly unlikely to fossilize.
By the way, do you have any positive evidence that butterflies are intelligently designed (i.e. not evidence that evolution could not produce a butterfly)? Any scientific evidence as to the identity of the designer?
Well atleast you admitt evolutionism is nothing but sheer speculation.
that's a start.
Strawman caricature. While it's a given that there aren't specific explanations for lines of development for every single organism complete with every single trait, there is still ample evidence for the process of evolution and that such a process has occurred throughout Earth's history. Yes, there are nemorous unanswered questions, but to call "evolutionism[sic]" "sheer speculation", is being extremely disingenuous.
__________________ Creationism has not made a single contribution to agriculture, medicine, conservation, forestry, pathology, or any other applied area of biology. Creationism has yielded no classifications, no biogeographies, no underlying mechanisms, no unifying concepts with which to study organisms or life. - Botanical Society of America's Statement on Evolution
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