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No you didn't. Unless you consider wild assertions and speculation as science.
If that is the case you did.
You asked for speculation, you got it.
Now you're asking for more speculation.
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ROM 1:20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities--his eternal power and divine nature--have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.
The butterfly is an example of Gods handiwork. If you examine the life cycle of the butterfly you will see that creation with design and purpose is the only reasonable means for the existence of this insect.
The butterfly hatches from an egg that has been stuck to a plant and a larva crawls out and starts to munch out on the leaves. After a while he grows into an adult caterpillar with distingue markings on his body. These markings aid in his camaflage or makes him look undesirable and thus help him survive. The caterpillar at this time has 12 segments to his body and a skin that does not grow which must be shed a few times in this cycle. After a while the mature caterpillar hooks onto a twig and using a liquid from his spinneret attaches to a twig or leaf . The pupas thorax swell and splits his skin. Wave like motions then roll the skin off towards the rear. This exposes the soft front parts of the pupa. The rear of the pupa body is still covered with skin which is called the cremaster . The pupa then slips out of the cremaster and attaches firmly to the silk button without falling. To accomplish this amazing feat the pupa must grasp the old skin between folds in his body. Then the pupa pulls the cremaster out swings it up to catch the silk button and then straightens out his body. The pupa now has a bare body that is quickly formed over with a hard shell. (Just imagine if the pupa missed one of those steps, that would mean no caterpillar. How did this evolve?)
During the metamorphosis the pupa turns into a “jelly like substance” and the structure then changes into a butterfly.
After a while a winged insect with a head thorax and abdomom crawls out and flys away. The butterfly then lays eggs and the cycle repeats itself.
On the surface the butterfly looks simple enough, but anybody knows that he is quite complex. Some of the stumbling blocks for the evolutionist is how did the caterpillar evolve? By this question I mean what kind of mutations would allow the caterpillar to go through his metamorphosis? How did he learn how to make his cocoon so quick and so precise when a incomplete partially evolved cocoon/process would not work properly. This would then lead rather quickly to his extinction before he even had a chance to become a butterfly. Now, somewhere along the line the DNA coding had to change in order for the caterpillar to turn to into a “jelly” like substance. Next more DNA changes thru mutation would have to occur in order for the “jelly” like substance to know how to turn into a body with wings, legs, brain, heart etc.
If the mutation wasn’t complete or fully evolved the butterfly could not exist. How would the “jelly” like substance know what to change into?
The butterfly has to go through 4 complicated life cycles changing from one style to another. It’s obvious that there is way to much going on here for evolution to work.
The logical conclusion is that the butterfly with all of its odd characteristics was created with purpose and design by an intelligent being.
Well atleast you admitt evolutionism is nothing but sheer speculation.
that's a start.
You nit, that's not what he said. Evolution isn't speculation. However, that doesn't mean that everyone here knows the exact lineage of that frog. I'm sure someone, somewhere, does, but they're not amongst us.
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Durango, you don't seem to have any interest in the scientific method and the the knowledge gained thereby. However quotations from novels seem to convince you of things rather easily. If I start posting passages from Lord of the Rings can I convince you that trees uproot themselves, walk around talking to hobbits and throwing rocks at castles? This might be a fun game actually. I can quote passages from my favourite novels, Jet can logically and scientifically refute all of them, and I can bang my fist on the table and say that someone wrote it down so it must be true...wait, this doesn't sound like fun at all...everyone will think I am daft.
I did...where did you think I got the information? duh.
Obviously you weren't paying attention, if you were then you would have seen the second link. This would have lead you to conclude that the skeptics would some crazy stuff about just because something hasn't been solved doesn't mean that it isn't solvable. This would lead you to the conclusion through yet another leap of logic that this therefore isn't a proof of God.
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