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View Poll Results: Do you approve of human cloning?
No... human cloning is wrong! 306 58.29%
Only stem cell cloning for medical ailments 136 25.90%
Yes, any form of cloning is okay 42 8.00%
Not sure 41 7.81%
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Originally Posted by armed2010
We are tampering with our own bodies, and not letting what would naturaly happen, happen. We are modifying the outcomes of nature. That is playing "god". As for the stem cells, we arent killing a fetus, we are killing a bunch of tiny cells.
The stem cells are taken from a viable embryo. You, me and everyone else on this rock we call earth, where from the onset of conception, began our growing into what we are today. If, during your first stage (embriotic) of growth you were removed from your mothers womb and the stem cells extracted you will have been killed. You would not be here today.

Originally Posted by armed2010
we are killing a bunch of tiny cells.
Well you and I are made up of a bunch of tiny cells. I can protest my killing, However a viable embryo can't and that is the only difference between us and that embryo for the embryo can't call out for help.

People why can't you see the monster that you have become?
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It's bad news, no matter how you slice it. Scientific discovery to "benefit" humanity often has a way of turning around and biting us on the behinds at some point down the line. The sin nature will always taint any pure motives someone originally may have had.
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Human cloning is definitely wrong.
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Originally Posted by Palatka44
The stem cells are taken from a viable embryo. You, me and everyone else on this rock we call earth, where from the onset of conception, began our growing into what we are today. If, during your first stage (embriotic) of growth you were removed from your mothers womb and the stem cells extracted you will have been killed. You would not be here today.

Well you and I are made up of a bunch of tiny cells. I can protest my killing, However a viable embryo can't and that is the only difference between us and that embryo for the embryo can't call out for help.

People why can't you see the monster that you have become?
I can take your argument 1 step further. You have tons of sperm, yet you dont use it all the time to make children. You are essentially denying hundreds of humans from comming into existence. Every egg a woman doesnt attempt to fertalize is a human life gone to waste. Millions of possible humans are denied their chance at life. How can you live with this, if you cant live with tiny cells being destroyed for medical benefit?
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Originally Posted by armed2010
I can take your argument 1 step further. You have tons of sperm, yet you dont use it all the time to make children. You are essentially denying hundreds of humans from comming into existence. Every egg a woman doesnt attempt to fertalize is a human life gone to waste. Millions of possible humans are denied their chance at life. How can you live with this, if you cant live with tiny cells being destroyed for medical benefit?
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In all due respect this is just plain silly. Please look up the word viable as in viable human embryo. As for my sperm it carries my genetic code as does every other cell in my body does. Why even my hair does and at this point of my life I am loosing alot of that lately and the truth be known I am having trouble living with this. Just like my hair the sperm is not a viable seperate human life nor is it a seperate individual.
Once the genetic code is joined with that of another seperate genetic code then a viable individual starts his/her growth.
To clone someone and then extract stem cells is no different than taking an identical twin and killing it to take its liver, heart, lung, kidney, eye, arm or any other part. Monsterous just pure monsterous!
Think on this, if you had an identical twin he would look like you. He would have the same hair and eye color and all other features are much the same as yours except the finger prints. God has done this to tell us that though these two are from the very same sperm and egg with the exact genetic make up they are complete seperate individuals with different personalities.
Your twin might be left handed while you are right handed. You might prefer the color yellow while he likes red. As you grow older you might like brunets and he blonds. HE WILL HAVE A SEPERATE PERSONALITY AS WELL AS A CLONE WOULD IF ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO GROW INTO ADULTHOOD.
Ahem, sorry I must have gotten carried away.
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Originally Posted by southron
I feel that human cloning is wrong. We shouldn't play God in trying to make humans and clone them.

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In all due respect this is just plain silly.

How so? Sperm is essential in the creation of a human, so your just wasting it and allowing thousands of lives to not come into existence

Please look up the word viable as in viable human embryo. As for my sperm it carries my genetic code as does every other cell in my body does. Why even my hair does and at this point of my life I am loosing alot of that lately and the truth be known I am having trouble living with this. Just like my hair the sperm is not a viable seperate human life nor is it a seperate individual.

However your sperm has the ability to create a seperate invidual by fertilizing a females egg. Its essentialy a building block of a human being

Once the genetic code is joined with that of another seperate genetic code then a viable individual starts his/her growth.

Yes, essentially your sperm is a building block of a viable human embryo. Once again your not letting your sperm do its job by seeking out a females egg and making an embryo

To clone someone and then extract stem cells is no different than taking an identical twin and killing it to take its liver, heart, lung, kidney, eye, arm or any other part. Monsterous just pure monsterous!

The hundreds of human lives that you allow to go to waste every day is absolutely horrific

Think on this, if you had an identical twin he would look like you. He would have the same hair and eye color and all other features are much the same as yours except the finger prints. God has done this to tell us that though these two are from the very same sperm and egg with the exact genetic make up they are complete seperate individuals with different personalities.

Same arguments as above basically, sperm is a building block of a human that can create an embryo yada yada yada

Your twin might be left handed while you are right handed. You might prefer the color yellow while he likes red. As you grow older you might like brunets and he blonds. HE WILL HAVE A SEPERATE PERSONALITY AS WELL AS A CLONE WOULD IF ALLOWED TO CONTINUE TO GROW INTO ADULTHOOD.
Ahem, sorry I must have gotten carried away.

Sperm goes into an egg etc etc creates a human
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You have renewed my joy in the fact that a 16 year old can use the brain that God gave him.
Sublte insults dont win arguments palatka :rolleyes: someone your age should know that
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Originally Posted by armed2010
Sublte insults dont win arguments palatka :rolleyes: someone your age should know that
The side of this debate that you are on is wrong and you do not know it. Please open that young mind of yours and your heart to the Gospel.
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