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Drlao seem to be correct for the most part.
The ice shelves formed post flood.
The quick and simple answer, the many layers represent storms and not years.
For example there was discovered a WW II planes covered with 75 metres (250 feet) of ice. There was more than 50 years worth of layers of ice over top of the plane.
Perhaps the plane entered a time worm hole and was sent back a few thousand years.
Drlao seem to be correct for the most part.
The ice shelves formed post flood.
The quick and simple answer, the many layers represent storms and not years.
For example there was discovered a WW II planes covered with 75 metres (250 feet) of ice. There was more than 50 years worth of layers of ice over top of the plane.
Perhaps the plane entered a time worm hole and was sent back a few thousand years.
Can you point us to a study that mentions the 'layers' where these planes were found and not just the depth at which they were found?
The airplanes landed near the shore of Greenland, where snow accumulation is rapid, about 2 meters per year. Allowing for some compaction due to the weight of the snow, that accounts for the depth of snow they are buried under. The planes are also on an active glacier and have moved about 2 km since landing. Ice core dating takes place on stable ice fields, not active glaciers. The interior of Greenland, where ice cores were taken, receives much less snow. In Antarctica, where ice cores dating back more than 100,000 years have been collected, the rate of snow accumulation is much less still.
The airplanes landed near the shore of Greenland, where snow accumulation is rapid, about 2 meters per year. Allowing for some compaction due to the weight of the snow, that accounts for the depth of snow they are buried under. The planes are also on an active glacier and have moved about 2 km since landing. Ice core dating takes place on stable ice fields, not active glaciers. The interior of Greenland, where ice cores were taken, receives much less snow. In Antarctica, where ice cores dating back more than 100,000 years have been collected, the rate of snow accumulation is much less still.
My mistake, I forgot that the only place that received a large amount of perciptation was the area surrounding the plane. No other place on Greenland or the Antarctica has received this kind of perciptation. EVER.
This thread has a couple of responses that just highlight the mental contortions (or swallowing of lies) that the YEC position entails.
Someone mentioned salt water doesn't freeze too well. - LOL
Well what is at the North Pole then? The ocean is 12,000 feet deep at the North Pole but it is permanently frozen.
Someone else mentioned the plane in the ice. This was in a coastal region of Greenland that receives plenty of snowfall and was also in an active glacial region.
The interior of Greenland and especially Antarctica receive almost no snowfall. Huge parts of Antarctica are about the most arid regions of the planet. It's a desert effectively. Like the centres of most continents there is no moisture source for much precipitation.
The ice cores are deliberately taken from these areas because there are not moving glaciers but quiescent ice sheets that do not flow
So how do you get the huge ice depths in these regions except by slow accumulation of snow/ice over many millenia?
Durango & Phoenix - why not do some thinkink instead of knee jerk, ill informed comments or the regurgitation of garbage you mined from Creationist websites.
But you aren't thinking. Your mining Creationist websites.
You're not disagreeing you are parroting something you read.
Apply knowledge you should already know. Antarctica is a desert. The ice in the sheets in the middle of the continent is not a glacial flow. Think of the consequences globally if Antarctica had a much different climate.
You interpret it as arrogance I view it as someone who is a scientist trying to talk to someone who is not. Lay people just are not used to thinking in a scientific manner (for the most part) and pointing this out is not arrogance it is fact.
Remember, that bit of science most people learn in high school (and then either forget or recollect haphazardly) is the tip of the iceberg (pun intended). Whats more many things taught in high school science are often not entirely true - the material is dumbed way down for kids with glossing over or simplistic approximations.
Last edited by Captain_Jack_Sparrow; 14th February 2004 at 12:39 PM.
This is a science forum, mate, conspiracy theories don't belong here. Besides, why would God want to hide from us?
Why would God want to hide from us?
hmmm, do you see him around anywhere or talk to anyone recently?
And for his reasons of hiding, hmm, I don't think there should be one.
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