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Are you referring to the scientifically illiterate assertion that since some obscure theologian supposedly believes in evolution, that it must be so?
Nice religion you have there, keep clinging to it in faith, and post irrelevant 'proofs' of your belief. Thank you for enriching us all, oh wise one.
This one gets the double meter explosion:
What is this amateur night at the Improv???
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Should a woman who admittedly "pees herself" when reading about stellar mechanics even be mentioning Thermodynamics?? You've got chutzpa babe, I'll give you that!!
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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
1st law: matter & energy can be changed from 1 form to another but not destroyed; 2nd law: energy is not destroyed, but it becomes useless & unavailable to do work. All ordered systems left to themselves tend to become disordered, & there is a general tendancy for things to degenerate, not to become more complex. Start a planet by an explosion, it won't generate life all by itself; spontaneous generation & star formation ARE elements of evolutionary theory: either God created it all, or it all created itself. 2nd law sez God must have, only way to bring order out of nothing; you say stuff (stars, life, dinosaurs, etc.) CAN bring itself to life or existence. How arrogently you dismiss the 2nd law of thermodynamics, I bet you couldn't quote it before I helpfully revealed it to you. Try getting some scientific knowledge, your lack of it masquerading as wisdom is shocking, troll.
I not only have kids, I HOME SCHOOL them !!! It was a HIGH SCHOOL text book we were about peeing ourselves over laughing at the absurd 'stars beget stars' idea. You see, it all starts with 1 star....
Not only is it just you, you have it completely backwards. Let me know if you need any more help understanding this complex issue.
Ahhh the same way you help your children understand complex issues??
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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
It is common sense that simple doesn't beget complex. The 2nd law states as much. The opposite occurs, complex breaks down into simple. Mutations don't produce better life forms, they produce Tay- Sachs, & other problems
and then natural selection, in the wild at any rate, eradicates it again, leaving you with a nice clean gene pool. on the occasion that a mutation is beneficial, natural selection preserves it, and it spreads through the population. Haldane showed that even a very weak selection pressure will lead to a beneficial mutation being spread through the poulation in a few thousand generations
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It's a religion, troll. You think it'll save you from hell?
I like it when you talk dirty...mmmmmmm
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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
reformedfan-I was thinking about posting a few things for you to read, but at this juncture I think it may be dangerous to confuse you with facts.
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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
1st law: matter & energy can be changed from 1 form to another but not destroyed;
no it doesn't. the first law of thermodynamics states that the work done during an adiabatic process depende only upon the end states, and not the details of the process.
2nd law: energy is not destroyed, but it becomes useless & unavailable to do work. All ordered systems left to themselves tend to become disordered, & there is a general tendancy for things to degenerate, not to become more complex.
no it doesn't. The second law states that there is no process for which the unique effect is the subtration of positive heat from some reservoir, and the product is positive work.
Start a planet by an explosion, it won't generate life all by itself; spontaneous generation & star formation ARE elements of evolutionary theory:
I don't know where you got this from. Stellar formation is nothing to do with evolution. Could you point to the page in Origins of Species, where darwin talks about stellar formation. I must have missed it. oh, is your "start a planet by an explosion" a strawman of the big bang? I am not too sure.
How arrogently you dismiss the 2nd law of thermodynamics, I bet you couldn't quote it before I helpfully revealed it to you. Try getting some scientific knowledge, your lack of it masquerading as wisdom is shocking, troll.
This one is rather insulting. you criticise others for their lack of knowledge of the laws of thermodynamics, when you have blatantly expressed the fact that you don't know a single thing about them either. Just ask yourself a few questions, what are the laws of thermodynamics really? what are they really describing, and what assumptions are they based on? how are they derived, and what are the mathematical formulations of these laws? Do you actually know the answer to any of these questions? I suspect not, otherwise you wouldn't be teaching those completely flawed examples above. What level of education do you have in the physics you are talking about by the way? I have two masters degrees in physics and I am doing a PhD at the moment.
I not only have kids, I HOME SCHOOL them !!! It was a HIGH SCHOOL text book we were about peeing ourselves over laughing at the absurd 'stars beget stars' idea. You see, it all starts with 1 star....
again, you illustrate lack of knowledge of stellar mechanics. Did you know that the formation of a star from a cloud of gas has recently been observed?
also we can see that the majority of star formation takes place in the leading edge of galactic arms, as the interstellar dust shockwave initiates large amounts of stellar formation and gravitational collapse of gas clouds. This is seen in the large numbers of short lived hot stars on the leading edge of the arms.
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reformedfan- please help me with those complex issues so I do not "go screaming into hell." Teach me stellar mechanics, mommy style.
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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
Plato, Symposium 203E-204A
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I not only have kids, I HOME SCHOOL them !!! It was a HIGH SCHOOL text book we were about peeing ourselves over laughing at the absurd 'stars beget stars' idea. You see, it all starts with 1 star....
Peeing yourself laughing at God's creation? Interesting sort of thing for Christians to do.
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