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NASA spent tons of money assuming evolution was true, in the end they wasted tax dollars believing a faulty theory that never has been proven true, nor will it ever be proven true.
Isn't it nice that nothing will ever be proven true? Don't give money to the Church either, since you don't even claim to be taking Christianity on more than faith- evolutionists at least base their beliefs on evidence.
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reformedfan: You never really did answer my question. If evolution is false, you shouldn't have a problem explaining what evolution is, right?
Can you give us a basic definition of the theory of evolution.
A second question, can you recomend a book to teach kids about evolution?
renounce evolution before you go screanming into hell.
Thanx for asking!
Hell? Your all loving forgiving God would send any of his children that he loves so much to this hell you speak of?? I thought Christ's dying on the cross took care of all of that? Out evangelizing and spreading the good news this weekend, I see.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
You think it'll save you from hell, (though it won't)
So exactly where in The Bible Belt do you live? You sure reference hell alot. That seems to be the focus of your belief system. Is this how you spread the good news and save souls, by threatening them with your hell??
Originally Posted by reformedfan
You were never Christian. If you truly had been, you wouldn't be a non Christian now.
WOW. Judge not lest ye be judged??
Originally Posted by reformedfan
How would you know, you're agnostic. Your opinion on Spiritual matters is irrelevant
Spoken like Christ himself.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
If he bellieved in evolution, then I do understand the Bible better than him.
Hubris, nice touch.
A couple of people have PM'd me this weekend asking me if I am Christian. One guy said, "You reference the Bible sometimes and then other times it seems like you are not for Christianity. I explained to him I am an EX-Christian. I would like to enter the above as, exhibit A - to why I left Christianity.
Ghandi spoke of your Jesus Incessantly, to the point someone asked him, "Why don't you become a Christian since you speak of Jesus so often" He replied, "I would, if I could find one 'Christian' who acts like him."
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If he bellieved in evolution, then I do understand the Bible better than him.
This is a display of nothing more than a huge amount of arrogance. A universally acknowledged biblical scholar, but you understand the bible better than him because you don't believe in the theory of evolution - a theory that most of the christian world accepts. Have you ever heard of humility? Or are you too full of pride to admit that you might be wrong?
It is common sense that simple doesn't beget complex. The 2nd law states as much. The opposite occurs, complex breaks down into simple. Mutations don't produce better life forms, they produce Tay- Sachs, & other problems.
I will explain this for the sixth time, under the condition that you don't try to use this argument again.
The second law of thermodynamics states that simple doesn't beget complex in an ENTIRE system. So if you have a sealed room that nothing is entering or leaving, (no air, no light, no sound, no heat) then the order of that room cannot increase over time. However, if you had a battery-powered robot in that room that was using electricity and producing heat, this robot could tidy your room for you. That would not contradict the second law of thermodynamics, because even though the complexity of PART of the system was increasing, (the room was getting tidy) the complexity of another part of it would be decreasing (the robot would be turning electricity into heat.) As long as the decrease in complexity caused by the robot's batteries running down was greater than the increase in complexity caused by your room being tidied, the overall complexity of the system will decrease and the second law of thermodynamics will not be violated.
This same principle is true in nature. When snowflakes form, a disorganized mass of water droplets freeze into an intricate crystal, but this increase in complexity is countered by the heat released into the clouds when they form. The complexity of a part of the system increases, but second law is not violated because the system's overall complexity decreases.
Now compare your room to earth. We have a disorganized system like your room, (primitive earth) a supply of energy like the batteries, (sunlight) and a system by which the complexity of a small portion of theis system can be increased by decreasing the complexity of the rest of it. This system is the laws of physics and the environmental conditions of earth, which are perfectly suited for the evolution and sustenance of life, just like the robot's programming would have been to tidy your room. By constantly turning the light produced by the sun's fusion reactions into heat, not only is life able to evolve, but snowflakes are able to form and giant trees are able to grow from tiny seeds.
The reason why none of these things violate the second law of thermodynamics is that the second law applies only to a closed system. The solar system is closed, and the complexity of that IS decreasing--the fusion of hydrogen into helium in the sun is a greater decrease of complexity than any possible increase of compleity on one of its planets--but the earth is not a closed system because it is recieving energy from the sun. If you intend to claim that putting energy into a non-system also cannot increase its complexity, you must remember that this claim is not based on the second law of thermodynamics, because the second law has nothing to say about a system that is not closed. You would be making a claim based not on any physical law but on your own intuition, and this claim can be shown by snowflakes and trees to be false.
NASA spent tons of money assuming evolution was true
I did not realize that NASA was a Biology outfit, how odd.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
I not only have kids, I HOME SCHOOL them !!! ...
This is scary.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
It was a HIGH SCHOOL text book we were about peeing ourselves over laughing at the absurd 'stars beget stars' idea. You see, it all starts with 1 star..
Actually stars are being born right now in our own galaxy (not to be confused with solar system ) and there are Billions of other galaxies with billions of other stars in each that we cannot even see into. We are able to watch star birth in Orion and actually observe young planets (proplyds) being formed. We can SEE this through large telescopes. So is creation still happening? Are you going to pee yourself over this as well? So you sit there in your ignorance with your haughty attitude teaching your children to laugh at things you do have no hope of ever contempating with any clarity?? Are you going to teach them to laugh at everything you do not understand-Well, at least your home will be filled with lots of laughter!
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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
So you sit there in your ignorance with your haughty attitude teaching your children to laugh at things you do have no hope of ever contempating with any clarity?? Are you going to teach them to laugh at everything you do not understand-Well, at least your home will be filled with lots of laughter!
Yes, but imagine the damage he is doing to those poor children, the harm he is doing to them...poor guys, it will take them years - decades - to recover from this harm.
Interesting philosophical question - is this a form of child abuse? And if so, should society stop it, to prevent harm like this to those who cannot defend themselves?
reformedfan has all of the charisma of Jesus. With her promises of hell and eternal damnation, it is surprising that out of the 6 Billion people on the planet there are only 1.4 Billion Christians, seems like she would have been able to recruit more. She would be a good one going door to door.
(knock, knock)
(door opening)
home owner: Yes?
reformedfan: Goodmorning, I am here to speak to you about the eternal fires of hellt hat you are going to go screaming into and also, to tell you since you do not believe in Jesus, your opinions do not count.
Homeowner: Can I worship at your church?
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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
Yes, but imagine the damage he is doing to those poor children, the harm he is doing to them...poor guys, it will take them years - decades - to recover from this harm.
Interesting philosophical question - is this a form of child abuse? And if so, should society stop it, to prevent harm like this to those who cannot defend themselves?
I have seen similar things here in Texas. Sad, really. The parents teach the kids to mock things mom and dad do not understand. Here in America the Undereducated do not seem to realize they need to come up to speed instead they opt to pull others down to their level. When people refuse to go to their level, they get angry and then mock those who know more, instead of admitting their own ignorance. Yes, I think it is psycological abuse for sure. Those kids probably started out bright and inquisitive until mom told them what is "acceptable" and what is to be "laughed at." Pretty soon they are cackling like fools at Astronomy, Cosmology, Biology, Physics, etc. etc. While mom has a satisfied smile on her face. RF, "Ok kids quit laughing, put down the science books-time for Bible study again."
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None of the gods love wisdom or desire to become wise, for they are wise already -- nor if someone else is wise, do they love wisdom. Neither do the ignorant love wisdom or desire to become wise; for this is the grievous thing about ignorance, that those who are neither good nor beautiful nor sensible think they are good enough, and do not desire that which they do not think they are lacking.
) and there are Billions of other galaxies with billions of other stars in each that we cannot even see into. We are able to watch star birth in Orion and actually observe young planets (proplyds) being formed. We can SEE this through large telescopes. So is creation still happening? Are you going to pee yourself over this as well? So you sit there in your ignorance with your haughty attitude teaching your children to laugh at things you do have no hope of ever contempating with any clarity?? Are you going to teach them to laugh at everything you do not understand-Well, at least your home will be filled with lots of laughter! 
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