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1st law: matter & energy can be changed from 1 form to another but not destroyed; 2nd law: energy is not destroyed, but it becomes useless & unavailable to do work. All ordered systems left to themselves tend to become disordered, & there is a general tendancy for things to degenerate, not to become more complex. Start a planet by an explosion, it won't generate life all by itself; spontaneous generation & star formation ARE elements of evolutionary theory: either God created it all, or it all created itself. 2nd law sez God must have, only way to bring order out of nothing; you say stuff (stars, life, dinosaurs, etc.) CAN bring itself to life or existence. How arrogently you dismiss the 2nd law of thermodynamics, I bet you couldn't quote it before I helpfully revealed it to you. Try getting some scientific knowledge, your lack of it masquerading as wisdom is shocking, troll.
I not only have kids, I HOME SCHOOL them !!! It was a HIGH SCHOOL text book we were about peeing ourselves over laughing at the absurd 'stars beget stars' idea. You see, it all starts with 1 star....
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All ordered systems left to themselves tend to become disordered, & there is a general tendancy for things to degenerate, not to become more complex
This is wrong. We can make the first part right, by arbitrarily defining 'order' as a monotonically decreasing function of entropy. But by that definition after the Big Bang the Universe would have been in a highly ordered state, and the current state of the Universe would be highly disordered. That's the price you pay for co-opting intuitive terms to describe physical processes.
How arrogently you dismiss the 2nd law of thermodynamics, I bet you couldn't quote it before I helpfully revealed it to you. Try getting some scientific knowledge, your lack of it masquerading as wisdom is shocking, troll
Perhaps now would be a good time to point out that you're arguing physics with a physicist. I do not dismiss second law, I merely point out that you are abusing it. Correctly stated, the second law states that it is impossible to make a system which. operating in a cycle, produces no effect other than the transfer of heat from a colder to a hotter body. Feel free to explain exactly which step of evolution violates this.
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*laughs* He's from Scotland and has probably forgotten more science than you've ever learned.
Except that I'm not sure he forgets much... *shrugs*
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spontaneous generation & star formation ARE elements of evolutionary theory
No, they are not. Evolutionary theory is about BIOLOGY, not astrophysics. And it is about changes in EXISTING life forms, not the creation of new ones.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
2nd law: energy is not destroyed, but it becomes useless & unavailable to do work. All ordered systems left to themselves tend to become disordered, & there is a general tendancy for things to degenerate, not to become more complex. Start a planet by an explosion, it won't generate life all by itself; spontaneous generation & star formation ARE elements of evolutionary theory: either God created it all, or it all created itself. 2nd law sez God must have, only way to bring order out of nothing; you say stuff (stars, life, dinosaurs, etc.) CAN bring itself to life or existence.
Well done. You can give a bad definition of the 2nd law. Now, if only you could show that you understand it...
Originally Posted by reformedfan
I not only have kids, I HOME SCHOOL them !!! It was a HIGH SCHOOL text book we were about peeing ourselves over laughing at the absurd 'stars beget stars' idea. You see, it all starts with 1 star....
The idea of any children getting their education from you frightens me immensely.
Are you claiming to be psychic, oh wise one? How would you know, you're agnostic. Your opinion on Spiritual matters is irrelevant & wrong.
Wow... and you're rude, arrogant, and scientifically illiterate. One of the worse Christians I've seen in these respects... if you're trying to be a good witness for Christ, I'd suggest toning it down a bit.
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-Robert F. Kennedy
It is common sense that simple doesn't beget complex. The 2nd law states as much. The opposite occurs, complex breaks down into simple. Mutations don't produce better life forms, they produce Tay- Sachs, & other problems.
It is also common sense that you will die one day & stand before God in judgment for your sins, and that eternal hell is where you'll pay for them if you don't repent. Your knowledge of the false religion you cling to won't save you. See it for what it is- a false shield that won't protect you on your personal day of judgment.
The 2nd law tells me that a tornado won't sweep through a junkyard & assemble a 747. Evolution attempts to displace God, so it encompasses astrophysics. If life originated from nothing (spontaneous generation) then so did stars. See? Evolution is everwhere, contaminating all branches of true science. NASA spent tons of money assuming evolution was true, in the end they wasted tax dollars believing a faulty theory that never has been proven true, nor will it ever be proven true. But you're from Scotland, (how far that country has strayed from its John Knox roots!) So you don't care about tax bills out here.
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It is common sense that simple doesn't beget complex. The 2nd law states as much
No, it does not. 2nd law states exactly what I said it states. Now demonstrate that evolution violates it or retract your claim.
Mutations don't produce better life forms, they produce Tay- Sachs, & other problems
Mutations gave bacteria the ability to digest nylon. A completely new ability which is beneficial to the organism.
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The 2nd law tells me that a tornado won't sweep through a junkyard & assemble a 747
The word for the day is ergodicity.
Evolution attempts to displace God
No, it doesn't.
so it encompasses astrophysics
No, it doesn't.
If life originated from nothing (spontaneous generation) then so did stars
No one said that life or stars originated from nothing.
See? Evolution is everwhere, contaminating all branches of true science. NASA spent tons of money assuming evolution was true, in the end they wasted tax dollars believing a faulty theory that never has been proven true, nor will it ever be proven true
Untrue on all counts.
But you're from Scotland, (how far that country has strayed from its John Knox roots!) So you don't care about tax bills out here.
Actually, I care deeply about what has happened to the NASA budget since Apollo. But that's a separate issue.
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Science is not a belief system, for this reason: Scientific knowledge is subject to revision pending new real-world evidence. Every week the New York Times comes out with news of some discovery that makes scientists rethink their theories. A recent Newsweek had a cover story about how the observations made with the Hubble telescope have forced astronomers to change their view of the universe. Science is the opposite of faith: It is a perpetual 'Show Me!'. Religious belief, on the other hand, is not subject to such revision: it is not falsifiable by any real-world evidence. The existence of God cannot be disproved. Religious beliefs are "leakproof"- there's no evidence that will contradict them.
__________________ "Justice will only exist where those not affected by injustice are filled with the same amount of indignation as those offended."
-Plato
"Each time a man stands up for an ideal, or acts to improve the lot of others, or strikes out against injustice, he sends forth a tiny ripple of hope...build(ing) a current that can sweep down the mightiest walls of oppression and resistance."
-Robert F. Kennedy
It is common sense that simple doesn't beget complex. The 2nd law states as much.
No, it does not.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
The opposite occurs, complex breaks down into simple. Mutations don't produce better life forms, they produce Tay- Sachs, & other problems.
Wrong again. There are documented cases of mutations generating improvements.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
It is also common sense that you will die one day & stand before God in judgment for your sins, and that eternal hell is where you'll pay for them if you don't repent. Your knowledge of the false religion you cling to won't save you. See it for what it is- a false shield that won't protect you on your personal day of judgment.
No, it is not. It is a religious belief, not common sense. Nor is evolutionary theory any kind of religion, false or otherwise. Check a dictionary and learn what "religion" means. Nor does anyone think that IF there is a "day of judgement", that evolutionary theory will have anything to do with it, any more than gravitational theory will.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
The 2nd law tells me that a tornado won't sweep through a junkyard & assemble a 747. Evolution attempts to displace God, so it encompasses astrophysics.
False. Evolution makes no statements or implications whatsoever about any god.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
If life originated from nothing (spontaneous generation) then so did stars.
Completely false. To say "If life XXX, then so did stars" is ridiculous. Life reproduces biologically - stars do not.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
See? Evolution is everwhere, contaminating all branches of true science.
Yes, evolution is a very pervasive theory. It influences many other areas of science.
Originally Posted by reformedfan
NASA spent tons of money assuming evolution was true, in the end they wasted tax dollars believing a faulty theory that never has been proven true, nor will it ever be proven true.
Demonstrate where "NASA spent tons of money assuming evolution was true".
Originally Posted by reformedfan
But you're from Scotland, (how far that country has strayed from its John Knox roots!) So you don't care about tax bills out here.
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