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Ok, back To gensis. Which Creation story do we follow then, Six day or one day ? gen 1 or 2?
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Originally Posted by reformedfan
Evolution is the religion you cling to in faith. You think it'll save you from hell, (though it won't)
there is no proof of it
(though you claim there is)
in order to maintain your belief you have to supress the truth in unrighteousness
(which doesn't make your belief system true)
see? It's a religion, troll.
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No, It didn't happen because rude Fundies say it didn't, and that is proof enough.
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Evolution is the religion you cling to in faith. You think it'll save you from hell, (though it won't)
there is no proof of it
(though you claim there is)
in order to maintain your belief you have to supress the truth in unrighteousness
(which doesn't make your belief system true)
Apparently there was enough proof of it to convince the greatest Christian theologian of the past 200 years. Even if you claim that atheists accept it because of opposition to Christianity, how can you claim this about Warfield?

If Warfiled did not accept evolution because of the evidence for it, WHY DID HE?

This thread exposes the arrogance of creationists better than any other I have seen here. Not only are they claiming the Bible to be an infallable authority, but that the one person who is more likely than anyone else to understand it must be wrong, simply because he disagrees with you.

That all evidence, all logic, and all authority is meaningless, because YOU are the greatest authority in the world.
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Can you give us a basic definition of the theory of evolution?

Or are you just going to keep making empty claims?

Originally Posted by reformedfan
Evolution is the religion you cling to in faith. You think it'll save you from hell, (though it won't)
there is no proof of it
(though you claim there is)
in order to maintain your belief you have to supress the truth in unrighteousness
(which doesn't make your belief system true)
see? It's a religion, troll.
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Originally Posted by DURANG0
from the first link:

Noll, Mark A. and David Livingston.* B. B. Warfield:* Evolution, Science, and Scripture, Selected Writings.* Grand Rapids:* Baker, 2000.* This contains an article on Scripture, “The Divine and Human in the Bible,” as well as thirty-nine articles, lectures, and reviews on the book’s subject.* This is one of Warfield’s more controversial areas of thought because he accepted the possibility of evolution in some form while denying Darwinism.


They claim that BB Warfield was remarkably well read on and respectful of the science of his time. Of course that was science of THAT time. Science of our time has cast a serious doubt on evolutionism.
No, it has not. That is a lie.
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read yer Darwin

Darwin himself speculated that as time went on, more 'proof' would emerge, such as missing links, as well as a wider range of fossils. He included a chapter in his "Origin of the Species" book, which contained problems with his theory (that's still all evolution is, though you false religion evolutionists swear up & down that it's fact.) If you were to read through that chapter... no, nevermind. You'd read through his chapter & rationalize away Darwin's own arguments against evolution. What a way to treat your savior!
Birds laying dinosaur eggs? that's modern day spontaneous regeneration of our forefathers 'cornfields beget mice' theory. How proud you must be of that 'smart' idea.
It takes scientists in the lab many tries to clone a sheep, yet in your sceme, life evolved from slime. Very amusing! People are required to make people, or other life forms in the lab through any means: natural or artificial, but God is not required to make anything. Amazing.
Funny theory you cling to on how stars are made. It seems to all start with one star: it starts the process, then stars can be made from that ad infinitum. Funny! Tell me you don't see the humor in that? (this is straight out of a science book I refused to teach my kids out of. They are a little too old for fairy tales)
And how 'bout that 2nd law of thermodynamics? Your religion is directly opposed to that. (Note it's called the second LAW, not 2nd "theory", unlike your object of faith.) So do things get more & more random & broken down, or more & more complex & organized? If your false religion is right, then the 2nd law of thermodynamics is wrong. Are you saying you & your savior knows more than established, accepted scientists, that your theory is right while the law is wrong? How arrogent! This is why I'm not an evolutionist: God was too good to me to leave me in such a state of sin & ignorance.
Now calm down before you die of a heart attack & instantly are in God's presence, standing before the judgment seat of Christ for every sin you ever committed, whether in word, thought, or deed. That's where you're headed, after all- Hebrews 9:27. All the fake arguments in favor of your false religion in the world won't help you or make that less true.
Have a nice day & a pleasant eternity! (I know I will!)
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Originally Posted by reformedfan
Darwin himself speculated that as time went on, more 'proof' would emerge, such as missing links, as well as a wider range of fossils.
And it has.

He included a chapter in his "Origin of the Species" book, which contained problems with his theory (that's still all evolution is, though you false religion evolutionists swear up & down that it's fact.)
Evolution is not a religion. Learn what evolution is and isn't, then come back here.

If you were to read through that chapter... no, nevermind. You'd read through his chapter & rationalize away Darwin's own arguments against evolution. What a way to treat your savior!
Evolution is not a religion. Learn what evolution is and isn't, then come back here.

Birds laying dinosaur eggs? that's modern day spontaneous regeneration of our forefathers 'cornfields beget mice' theory. How proud you must be of that 'smart' idea.
Spontaneous generation has nothing to do with evolution. Learn what evolution is and isn't, then come back here.

It takes scientists in the lab many tries to clone a sheep, yet in your sceme, life evolved from slime. Very amusing! People are required to make people, or other life forms in the lab through any means: natural or artificial, but God is not required to make anything. Amazing.
Cloning has nothing to do with evolution. Learn what evolution is and isn't, then come back here.

Funny theory you cling to on how stars are made. It seems to all start with one star: it starts the process, then stars can be made from that ad infinitum. Funny! Tell me you don't see the humor in that? (this is straight out of a science book I refused to teach my kids out of. They are a little too old for fairy tales)
Star formation has nothing to do with evolution. Learn what evolution is and isn't, then come back here.

And how 'bout that 2nd law of thermodynamics? Your religion is directly opposed to that. (Note it's called the second LAW, not 2nd "theory", unlike your object of faith.) So do things get more & more random & broken down, or more & more complex & organized? If your false religion is right, then the 2nd law of thermodynamics is wrong.
Evolution is not a religion. Learn what evolution is and isn't, then come back here.

Are you saying you & your savior knows more than established, accepted scientists, that your theory is right while the law is wrong? How arrogent! This is why I'm not an evolutionist: God was too good to me to leave me in such a state of sin & ignorance.
Evolution is not a religion. Learn what evolution is and isn't, then come back here.

Now calm down before you die of a heart attack & instantly are in God's presence, standing before the judgment seat of Christ for every sin you ever committed, whether in word, thought, or deed. That's where you're headed, after all- Hebrews 9:27. All the fake arguments in favor of your false religion in the world won't help you or make that less true.
Have a nice day & a pleasant eternity! (I know I will!)
Evolution is not a religion. Learn what evolution is and isn't, then come back here.
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Originally Posted by reformedfan
Darwin himself speculated that as time went on, more 'proof' would emerge, such as missing links, as well as a wider range of fossils
And his prediction was spot on. Try catching up with the past two centuries of scientific progress.

He included a chapter in his "Origin of the Species" book, which contained problems with his theory (that's still all evolution is, though you false religion evolutionists swear up & down that it's fact.)
Try reading up on scientific method, too. Theory is the pinnacle of science. Atomic theory, the theory of relativity, germ theory...all mere theories.

Birds laying dinosaur eggs? that's modern day spontaneous regeneration of our forefathers 'cornfields beget mice' theory. How proud you must be of that 'smart' idea
Sorry, who's idea was that? It certainly doesn't appear in any theory of evolution that I know of.

It takes scientists in the lab many tries to clone a sheep, yet in your sceme, life evolved from slime. Very amusing! People are required to make people, or other life forms in the lab through any means: natural or artificial, but God is not required to make anything. Amazing
Argument from incredulity won't get you very far.

Funny theory you cling to on how stars are made. It seems to all start with one star: it starts the process, then stars can be made from that ad infinitum. Funny! Tell me you don't see the humor in that? (this is straight out of a science book I refused to teach my kids out of. They are a little too old for fairy tales)
Perhaps you should try reading at a slightly higher level than kids textbooks.

Then again, perhaps not.

And how 'bout that 2nd law of thermodynamics? Your religion is directly opposed to that
Congratulations. You just marked yourself out as someone totally ignorant of elementary thermodynamics.

(Note it's called the second LAW, not 2nd "theory", unlike your object of faith.)
Newton's Law of gravity was superceded by Einstein's [b]theory[/i] of general relativity. Like I said, go learn something about scientific method.

So do things get more & more random & broken down, or more & more complex & organized?
Both, actually.

If your false religion is right, then the 2nd law of thermodynamics is wrong
Thou shalt not bear false witness. I very much doubt if you can even quote the 2nd law, let alone explain why you think that evolution contradicts it.

Are you saying you & your savior knows more than established, accepted scientists, that your theory is right while the law is wrong? How arrogent!
Comdey gold, coming from someone who asserts that the most fundamental theory in biology runs contrary to elementary physics, and that the entire scientific community collectively failed to notice.

This is why I'm not an evolutionist: God was too good to me to leave me in such a state of sin & ignorance
Oh, the irony...
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Originally Posted by reformedfan
this is straight out of a science book I refused to teach my kids out of
You have children? That is REALLY scary...
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