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12th February 2004, 03:10 AM
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Evolution is a big mafia in worldwide. Am I right??
It is not a science, but mafia, ruling by Devil.
I think that there is big mafia in the world which protects
evolution. Dont you see this??
Orange in Christ
I will answer with your words.
Creationism, specifically Young Earth Creationism is a model, that God created everything as is, over a period of 6 days. It explains all the the species, it explains the variety of life, it explains the geological record, it explains the phylogenetic trees, explains the cosmic microwave background, it explains the light from distant stars, it explains a whole bunch of these things. True Science can model them all. All right. I say honestly that I believe the Bible is True because all this things you said. In any way I can explain all this for my self. And there is not any difficulty do explain all this by Creation point of view .
But Evolution cant explain many things. You know this more well than me.
For it is difficult to write I will write three explanation in short..
1)Science explains very simple that the geological record is result of world flood.
2) Similarities between the species is because One God, one Engineer created all this.
3) Real science counting by various subjects shows that age of our earth may be from 4000 year ald to 3000000 year at most.
And so I say I wrote mafia because these men who dont let to teach Creationism in schools with evolutionism are big criminals at God look and at human rights point of view .
Orange in Christ
Evolution have not any facts and any arguments, it have only lies.Read books please.
All know this, But I am not about that, it already proved.It have proved long ago alraedy.
I am about other thing, that there is big mafia with name of science, which work against the
simple,clear truths by ruling with Devil in worldwide.And Creation already is proved that it is
very very right by science, by science point of view .
And this mafia dont let that in Schools to teach Creation having not a right to do so.
If Creation would have been taught with Evolution it will clearly show all foolishness and all nonsens of Evolution, what is all.
Orange in Christ
I am about mafia of so called "evolutionists" you are about Creationism?? If you want to learn about Creationism go to
thread about that topic.
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Reps: 407,430,393,920,795,712 (power: 407,430,393,920,819) | | Originally Posted by orange Creationism, specifically Young Earth Creationism is a model, that God created everything as is, over a period of 6 days. It explains all the the species, it explains the variety of life, it explains the geological record, it explains the phylogenetic trees, explains the cosmic microwave background, it explains the light from distant stars, it explains a whole bunch of these things.
YEC is indeed a scientific theory. Morris calls it a "model" because he also argues that neither evolution nor YEC are scientific in other areas (that inconsistency should have tipped you off that something was wrong). However, YEC emphatically does not explain any of the things you say. In fact, there are data in all the areas that can't be there if YEC is true. Since true statements can't have false consequences and YEC does have false consequences, YEC is not true. God simply didn't create that way. YEC was falsified by Christians who were also scientists by 1831. The data that falsified it still exists. But Evolution cant explain many things. You know this more well than me.
I'm afraid I don't. Evolution has been tested in attempts to show it to be false for 160 years. All those attempts have failed. For it is difficult to write I will write three explanation in short..
1)Science explains very simple that the geological record is result of world flood.
I'm afraid not. See Lyell's Principles of Geology and the works of Revs. Adam Sedgwick and William Buckland before that. There are geological features that simply can't be explained by a Flood. There never was a world-wide Flood. 2) Similarities between the species is because One God, one Engineer created all this.
That doesn't work because the similarities aren't seen. Let me give you one example that falsifies this. Superficially, ichthyosaurus and dolphins have very similar shapes, nearly the same size, and live in the same ecological niche. However, when we look at the details of the designs, the similarities don't work. Dolphins have horizontal tails and their swimming motion is a modified running motion. That's not "one Engineer", but rather modifying the running motion of the dolphin's mammalian ancestors. 3) Real science counting by various subjects shows that age of our earth may be from 4000 year ald to 3000000 year at most.
Those methods all have flaws. Also, all the methods should give the same age since the earth is only one age, right? It's not both 4,000 years old and 3,000,000 years old at the same time. The discrepancies tell you right there that the methods are flawed. And so I say I wrote mafia because these men who dont let to teach Creationism in schools with evolutionism are big criminals at God look and at human rights point of view .
Those men, and I am one, are honest people who don't believe in lying to our kids. Creationism is a falsified scientific theory; it has been shown to be wrong. We can't teach it honestly as valid anymore than we can teach that the earth is the center of the solar system (geocentrism) as a valid theory. Evolution have not any facts and any arguments, it have only lies.Read books please.
Orange, go to http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi and enter "evolution as your search term. You will find more than 120,000 papers with the facts and arguments about evolution. Start reading abstracts and then get back to us about the "not any facts" thing. I am about other thing, that there is big mafia with name of science, which work against the simple,clear truths by ruling with Devil in orldwide.
Orange, remember that YEC was the accepted scientific theory from 1700-1831. Now, if scientists are as much a "mafia" as you claim, why isn't creationism still the accepted theory? The "mafia" would have kept creationism and rejected evolution. And you can't claim it was because scientists became atheists. The people that proved creationism wrong were all believers in God and most of them were ministers. And Creation already is proved that it is very very right by science, by science point of view .
This is the problem. Creation and creationism are two different things. Creation is that God created. Creationism, as you pointed out above, is a specific how that God created. Well, evolution is also a how that God created. God created by evolution. See the second quote in my signature.
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