Deliberate Sin - Not Forgiven?

In another thread, someone said that if we sin knowing that Jesus will forgive us then that sin is NOT forgiven.

Well, this rubbed me the wrong way so I researched a little and came up with this verse -

Hebrews 10;
26 For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, 27but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries.

So, my question - how do you interpret this? I am NOT asking if we can lose salvation. I am asking what the verse above is saying, how do you all interpret that? Is it saying that if I sin and know it is sin before I do it, then that sin is not forgiven? That I will be punished or judged for that sin? Even if I ask for forgiveness?

Any other verses on this?

Here is the rest of that chapter in case you are interested -

28 Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay,"[5] says the Lord.[6] And again, "The LORD will judge His people."[7] 31It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
32But recall the former days in which, after you were illuminated, you endured a great struggle with sufferings: 33partly while you were made a spectacle both by reproaches and tribulations, and partly while you became companions of those who were so treated; 34for you had compassion on me[8] in my chains, and joyfully accepted the plundering of your goods, knowing that you have a better and an enduring possession for yourselves in heaven.[9] 35Therefore do not cast away your confidence, which has great reward. 36For you have need of endurance, so that after you have done the will of God, you may receive the promise:


37"For yet a little while,
And He[10] who is coming will come and will not tarry.
38Now the[11] just shall live by faith;
But if anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him."[12]


39But we are not of those who draw back to perdition, but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.

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ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will
of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."
(1 Thessalonians 5:16-18)


Peace,
soulsisterclaire

I have no profound, knowledgable answers for you. That confuses me also, because I feel like really.....all sin is deliberate, right? (If I had thought I could get away with "God it was an accident!!, I would have already tried that one! lol!) But seriously, it says what it says. Is this what they call a "hard saying" of the Bible?

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Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things.-- Philippians 4:8

I hope not. Not very much sin is committed accidentally, after all. Almost all sins are intentional and willful. We know what we should or shouldn't do, but we don't act on our knowledge.

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Carry only love. Hate is a burden that is tremendously heavy.

If you want to live like Jesus, love your enemies and give up your life for them.

Yikes!

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Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things.-- Philippians 4:8

A similar chapter can be found in 2 Peter 2. Look especially at verses 20-22.

The thing is, it's not just sin, but being overcome by it.

Hebrews 6:6 adresses similar concerns. The desciption of the fallen believer is such that it look slike as long as you can bring yourself to repentance you are in good shape. It is when you begin to try to rationalize yourself as being saved and not having to behave within church discipline that you begin to walk down this road.

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- William Penn


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I cannot say but what I feel when I read this passage,
could it not be like the adultress that was being stoned for adultry and Jesus ask woman where are your acursers she answered they are gone then Jesus said then I will not judge you sin no more. or could it be that we wh asked for forgiveness for our sins that we committed before accepting the Lord that he is asking us not to sin anymore for the very acts that he forgave us for. but then he tells us to forgive not 7 but 70 so then would that be grace that he has given us and we are to give this back to our brothers and sisters that are not yet in Jesus Christ or could it be that if you accept Jesus Christ and then turn your back on him after knowing what love and forgiveness he has bestowed upon us that this might be what is mean't to always stay in the light of the Lord then you will not hurt what he sacrified for us. It could be like outright defiance of the very nature of the Lord.

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everything is permissable but not everything is beneficial I Co. 10:23

Hmmm. Earlier it was said and I tend to agree that most, if not all, sin is deliberate; at least to a certain extent. This begs the question does judgment equate to damnation?

From looking at the surrounding passages it seems to me to be an indictment of those who hear the Truth and reject it. Verse 29 makes that clear to me.

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

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"When the centurion and those who were with him, keeping watch over Jesus, saw the earthquake and what took place, they were filled with awe and said 'Truly this was the Son of God!'"

I was also wondering if perhaps he was talking about the new covenant with Jesus vs. animal sacrifice. Like once you accept the sacrifice He made for you and the grace that has been given to you......you can't just keep committing these sins and then think you can go sacrifice a calf or a goat or something. Does that make sense, or am I way off base, here?

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Finally, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, let your mind dwell on these things.-- Philippians 4:8

I would like to think that except that it is in the New Testament.

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"Rejoice evermore. Pray without
ceasing. In every thing give thanks: for this is the will
of God in Christ Jesus concerning you."
(1 Thessalonians 5:16-18)


Peace,
soulsisterclaire

Take it for what it's worth - deliberate, intentional sins were not covered by the OT sacrificial services of the sanctuary. Sins of unintention were covered.

Do a KJV Bible search for
"unawares"
"sin through ignorance"
compared to
"presumtuous"
"presumptuously"
"despised the word of the LORD"