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23rd February 2004, 05:13 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by ps139 I have seen this site before. Are you going to take a guy who calls himself "The Birdman" seriously?
He has quotes on the front page from a person named "JBR Yant." Hmmm....could that be J. Bryant formatted differently??
He is also a huge anti-semite and Holocaust denier. Just check out "links of interest."
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23rd February 2004, 05:41 PM
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What is a "Holocaust denier"? One who denies that a Holocaust should ever happen again? I don't think we should ever have another Holocaust. I guess I agree with John Bryant then.
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Reps: 109 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Wolfgang Mozart What is a "Holocaust denier"? One who denies that a Holocaust should ever happen again?
One who denies that it ever happened. |
23rd February 2004, 05:47 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by toff One who denies that it ever happened.
Why would someone believe that? |
23rd February 2004, 05:58 PM
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Reps: 109 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Wolfgang Mozart Why would someone believe that?
Good question. Google it - there is a significantly sized movement that asserts that the holocaust never happened, that it's all a hoax by Jews trying to take over the world or some such nonsense. |
23rd February 2004, 06:08 PM
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Reps: 37,540 (power: 65) | | Originally Posted by Wolfgang Mozart Why would someone believe that?
It is basically pure anti-semitism - a hatred of Jews. And when you hate Jews, you cannot give them sympathy - so you must deny something that happened, that if true, would force you as a human being to sympathize with them. And they would rather deny that the Holocaust happened than have the slightest bit of compassion for the Jews. It is a sickness, and I feel sorry for them.
If you check Birdman's "links of interest" you will see links to all sorts of anti-semitic and holocaust denying sites, sites addressing "The Jewish problem" etc. But I would recommend you not fill your mind with that trash. It is best left ignored.
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23rd February 2004, 06:41 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by ps139 It is basically pure anti-semitism - a hatred of Jews. And when you hate Jews, you cannot give them sympathy - so you must deny something that happened, that if true, would force you as a human being to sympathize with them. And they would rather deny that the Holocaust happened than have the slightest bit of compassion for the Jews. It is a sickness, and I feel sorry for them.
If you check Birdman's "links of interest" you will see links to all sorts of anti-semitic and holocaust denying sites, sites addressing "The Jewish problem" etc. But I would recommend you not fill your mind with that trash. It is best left ignored.
If some people are saying the Holocaust never happened, I am curious as to what they studied or read to make them believe that. Surely it simply can't just be "I hate Jews therefore I say the Holocaust never happened." So basically, do they think the Holocaust actually happened but publically deny it to make Jews appear as liars out of hatred, or do they sincerely believe that it is an historical inaccuracy to say it did happen? If they really believe it did not happen, what evidence do they have? Did they look up some archaelogical studies or some other type of research to come to this conclusion?
Okey, I visited John Bryant's site, and you are right, he does have a negative view of Jews. He is claiming that Jews are undermining the interests of Whites for their own interests. Later when I have time, I will read the evidence he puts forth for making this case and then see if I agree or not.  |
23rd February 2004, 06:44 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by toff Good question. Google it - there is a significantly sized movement that asserts that the holocaust never happened, that it's all a hoax by Jews trying to take over the world or some such nonsense.
So they believe Jews are taking over the world? Well, the Bible says Jews are God's Chosen People, so maybe it's true afterall, lol |
23rd February 2004, 06:45 PM
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Reps: 37,540 (power: 65) | | Originally Posted by Wolfgang Mozart If some people are saying the Holocaust never happened, I am curious as to what they studied or read to make them believe that. Surely it simply can't just be "I hate Jews therefore I say the Holocaust never happened." So basically, do they think the Holocaust actually happened but publically deny it to make Jews appear as liars out of hatred, or do they sincerely believe that it is an historical inaccuracy to say it did happen? If they really believe it did not happen, what evidence do they have? Did they look up some archaelogical studies or some other type of research to come to this conclusion?
It really doesn't matter - when people want to believe something, they will find evidence for it. From our perspective it looks ridiculous, but all they have to do is convince themselves. Its not like they did an honest intellectual search and are convinced by the evidence that the Holocaust never happened. Instead they are blinded by prejudice, and seek to "prove" what they already believe in their heads. People do this all the time, this Holocaust case is one of the most extreme and pathetic instances of it. Who knows what they use, but it is not real evidence.
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23rd February 2004, 06:51 PM
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by ps139 It really doesn't matter - when people want to believe something, they will find evidence for it. From our perspective it looks ridiculous, but all they have to do is convince themselves. Its not like they did an honest intellectual search and are convinced by the evidence that the Holocaust never happened. Instead they are blinded by prejudice, and seek to "prove" what they already believe in their heads. People do this all the time, this Holocaust case is one of the most extreme and pathetic instances of it. Who knows what they use, but it is not real evidence.
Well, since I try to keep an open mind, I believe everyone should be given a chance to make their case. I'll see what I can find on John Bryant's site, the evidence, if any, regarding these topics, and then come to my own conclusions. Thanks for the info. | | |
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