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8th February 2004, 10:54 AM
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i've always wondered what atheists thought about the orgin of life. the origin of everything. since various harvard, ivy league, big name professors and scientists have said that all evidence points toward a supreme being yet they choose not to believe there is a god because the notion seems 'absurd' 'preposterous', etc. they just refuse to believe it.
hm.
So what do the atheists think is the origin of life? because evolution couldn't have started from nothing.
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Reps: 2,512 (power: 14) | | Originally Posted by glo i've always wondered what atheists thought about the orgin of life. the origin of everything. since various harvard, ivy league, big name professors and scientists have said that all evidence points toward a supreme being yet they choose not to believe there is a god because the notion seems 'absurd' 'preposterous', etc. they just refuse to believe it.
hm.
So what do the atheists think is the origin of life?
You sound a little naive in your statement. You may want to read up on Deism, I think there are probably many science professors that believe in some unknown force that "creating" everything.
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Reps: 10 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by Routerider You may want to read up on Deism, I think there are probably many science professors that believe in some unknown force that "creating" everything.
definition of deism:
The doctrine or creed of a deist; the belief or system of
those who acknowledge the existence of one God, but deny
revelation.
Note: Deism is the belief in natural religion only, or those
truths, in doctrine and practice, which man is to
discover by the light of reason, independent of any
revelation from God. Hence, deism implies infidelity,
or a disbelief in the divine origin of the Scriptures.
thus a 'god'. |
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Reps: 2,512 (power: 14) | | Originally Posted by sunny_days definition of deism:
The doctrine or creed of a deist; the belief or system of
those who acknowledge the existence of one God, but deny
revelation.
Note: Deism is the belief in natural religion only, or those
truths, in doctrine and practice, which man is to
discover by the light of reason, independent of any
revelation from God. Hence, deism implies infidelity,
or a disbelief in the divine origin of the Scriptures.
thus a 'god'.
I took this as you agree with me?
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8th February 2004, 12:00 PM
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okay. what glo is talking about (i think) is about what atheists think about the origin of life is. not what people who believe in some sort of god (deists) think for it is obvious they what their origin of life theory is. |
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Reps: 28 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by glo i've always wondered what atheists thought about the orgin of life. the origin of everything. since various harvard, ivy league, big name professors and scientists have said that all evidence points toward a supreme being yet they choose not to believe there is a god because the notion seems 'absurd' 'preposterous', etc. they just refuse to believe it.
hm.
So what do the atheists think is the origin of life?
Not sure which professors have said that evidence points towards a supreme being, but that is beside that point.
My thoughts as an athiest:
1) The Urey-Miller experiment in 1953 combined ammonia, methane, hydrogen and water vapour and subjected the mixture to periodic electric discharges. This was done to simulate the atmosphere around earth 4 or 5 billion years ago. After the experiment had run for a week, the analysed what had been formed and found a variety of amino acids in the mixture. Amino acids are the building blocks of protiens and the fundamental unit that could lead to the genesis if cells. I won't go into the details of the steps in between because that would take a long time, but most first year biology textbooks give a good description. This is the only theory of the origin life that has testable, repeatable experimental evidence and it is currently the most consistent theory we have. Could god have created life? Maybe, but there is no repeatable experimental evidence to suggest that, so it is not a strong theory.
2) Origin of the universe: I am not a physicist, so my ability to explain the big bang theory is limited. Therefore, I don't plan to explain it, in this post or thread. If you are interested in the details, read it. I have read a lot about it. I have also read a lot about other theories. Big Bang currently appears to be the strongest, logically consistent theory that we have. Most of you will probably say that because I do not know what caused the big bang, it must have been God. That is one of the many possibilities. However scientists much smarter than I, have not run of out rational ideas to explain Big Bang, so falling back on a god(s) as creator has not happened yet. |
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Reps: 2,512 (power: 14) | | Originally Posted by sunny_days okay. what glo is talking about (i think) is about what atheists think about the origin of life is. not what people who believe in some sort of god (deists) think for it is obvious they what their origin of life theory is.
D'oh! I got confused on the original post, I totally misread it...my bad 
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Reps: 574 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by glo i've always wondered what atheists thought about the orgin of life. the origin of everything. since various harvard, ivy league, big name professors and scientists have said that all evidence points toward a supreme being yet they choose not to believe there is a god because the notion seems 'absurd' 'preposterous', etc. they just refuse to believe it.
hm.
So what do the atheists think is the origin of life? because evolution couldn't have started from nothing.
I, like most atheists, accept the current scientific theories about the origins of life as (provisionally) true. But so do most Christians, the only difference is that Christians believe that God is necessary to sustain the natural processes involved, and atheists belive God is not necessary.
Regarding the origin of life, in addition to professor frink's post, here is a link to wikipedia about the scientific theory, called abiogenesis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
These links describe the main hypotheses : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proteinoid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNA_world_hypothesis
This link describe the Miller-Urey experiment : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_experiment
Again, note that most Christians view chemistry as the way for God to create the first life.
Science is agnostic. It doesn't say there is no God, but it doesn't there is one either. |
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