several issues seem to parralel. they all are issues where the act may be considered wrong by some and not others. but they're all issues invovling personal decisions (bare with me i'm trying to get both points across here) it's a persons right to choose what's right or wrong for themselves. and it's a grey area because they're only "hurting" (used loosly) themselves...
Gay Marriage. believe me, i understand your points, and counterpoints. there are many messed up concepts about hetero marriage. my genuine feeling that both gays and missguided heteros have no influences pointing them towards the joys of plain family life. all worldly influences are to be different in some way. enjoy yourselves no matter what.
Drugs AND Alcohol. Ill bet a high percentage of you who are pro gay/free sex, also advocate legalizing or enjoyment of drugs in some way. the fact that alcohol/tobacco is vastly abused also is valid. so ill loop them in together. some people can handle the moderation and some cant. and again, what "feels good" preceeds what might be right for that person. it's unfortunate that many become so dependant that they cant be happy with out the particular vice. thats why i really feel legalization of more drugs (just for the sake that SOME already are) isnt the answer.
Abortion. abortion is a by product of non responsibility (90% of the time) weather you think it should be ok or not doesnt take away the reason the abortion had to be considered in the first place. it's a byproduct of the same mentality "feels good". sex, usually unmarried/unprotected.
please realize that us who oppose all of these individual "rights" are just trying to get across the point that sometimes what feels the best or whats the easiest usually wont be in the long run. Satan is a liar, a deciever, he opperates in the mind and uses pleasure, good feelings, and ease, to inflict pain down the road. and to borrow a line from Kevin Spacey "the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
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I feel a bit confused as well as conflicted. On the one hand, I want to practice tolerance and let others live their own lives (even if it means living in sin) and let the Lord judge them when they die. But on the other hand, I feel that it is my Christian responsibility to let others know that what they are doing is wrong (morally speaking). It's not easy for me to say this, but to legislate and ammend the constitution on moral issues like these just doesn't seem right (especially the hypocracy of the "drug war" vs alchohol and tobacco). When I think, that they should be able to do what they want to do, I am not agreeing with what they do, I just don't feel that they are hurting anyone other than themselves. I just wish I didn't have to see it so much, the gay "agenda" for primetime tv definitely offends me, but I guess I'll just have to live with it cause it's gonna get worse.
I am not sure I understand your point, you seem to understand where "we" come from...I don't understand how you think that "your" way will fix these problems.
Meaning keeping gay marriage forbidden does not fix the problems in hetero marriages, keeping drugs illegal does not fix the addiction problem, only hurts the education problem..and making abortion illegal will not stop people from making wrong choices.
Are you saying that if it is done to the desires of the christian right, they will solve these problems?
I just wish I didn't have to see it so much, the gay "agenda" for primetime tv definitely offends me, but I guess I'll just have to live with it cause it's gonna get worse.
This is the kind of thing you need to rethink if you want to be taken seriously. I mean this in the nicest way possible, please understand. There is no gay agenda for primetime tv. There are gay men and women out there, they are involved in the entertainment industry and they will portray themselves. You sound like my grandparents, when there began to be a lot more african americans represented on tv. "Why do they have to put themselves on all these shows....they are gonna take over"
Maybe I didn't follow the opening post but I can't see how gays wanting to commit to lifelong relationships is anyway parrallel to enjoy yourselves no matter what (it would seem to be the opposite) and how their marriages are pointing them away from family life (it would seem to be the opposite).
I certainly can't see a connection between gay marriages (or gay relationships) to abortion. I can't think of a relationship that would be farther from the abortion debate. If anything, gay marriages will lead to an outlet for many children who are looking for love as part of a loving family who wants them. Seems to me like this is an upside.
Perhaps I am being misled by Satan. Care to clarify or set me right?
Well Amp I'm pro-choice, I support the homosexual people's right to marry (wether in a secular court, a church, or any other religious ceremony of their choosing) and I believe that certian drugs should be made legal because it is a waste of time, effort, and money to keep them illegal.
Mainly, I believe in personal responsibility and free will. Make your own choices and accept your own consequences. I don't think people should be sheilded from the ability to live their own lives the way they choose and deal with their own consequences from those choices.
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This is the kind of thing you need to rethink if you want to be taken seriously. I mean this in the nicest way possible, please understand. There is no gay agenda for primetime tv. There are gay men and women out there, they are involved in the entertainment industry and they will portray themselves. You sound like my grandparents, when there began to be a lot more african americans represented on tv. "Why do they have to put themselves on all these shows....they are gonna take over"
Oh my goodness heavens we could not have that now could we..
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This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment. This is our time – to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American Dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth – that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt, and those who tell us that we can’t, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people:
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Oh my goodness heavens we could not have that now could we..
lol nope...I gotta say, in defense of my poor grandparents. I don't think they realize what they say and what it really means. They grew up being brainwashed into believing that black people are inferior. When my grandpa was ill in his last days, the only nurse he liked was the black one. and man did he love and respect that woman, yet when he was not around her, he would be back his old self, knocking the AAs on tv, and what not.
lol nope...I gotta say, in defense of my poor grandparents. I don't think they realize what they say and what it really means. They grew up being brainwashed into believing that black people are inferior. When my grandpa was ill in his last days, the only nurse he liked was the black one. and man did he love and respect that woman, yet when he was not around her, he would be back his old self, knocking the AAs on tv, and what not.
Hey I here you my Dad was the same way we are products of our enviroments.
but My goodness those homosexuals want to just take over them and that agenda of theirs
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This is our chance to answer that call. This is our moment. This is our time – to put our people back to work and open doors of opportunity for our kids; to restore prosperity and promote the cause of peace; to reclaim the American Dream and reaffirm that fundamental truth – that out of many, we are one; that while we breathe, we hope, and where we are met with cynicism, and doubt, and those who tell us that we can’t, we will respond with that timeless creed that sums up the spirit of a people:
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I feel a bit confused as well as conflicted. On the one hand, I want to practice tolerance and let others live their own lives (even if it means living in sin) and let the Lord judge them when they die. But on the other hand, I feel that it is my Christian responsibility to let others know that what they are doing is wrong (morally speaking). It's not easy for me to say this, but to legislate and ammend the constitution on moral issues like these just doesn't seem right (especially the hypocracy of the "drug war" vs alchohol and tobacco). When I think, that they should be able to do what they want to do, I am not agreeing with what they do, I just don't feel that they are hurting anyone other than themselves. I just wish I didn't have to see it so much, the gay "agenda" for primetime tv definitely offends me, but I guess I'll just have to live with it cause it's gonna get worse.
I understand your dilemma (not that i share your opinions, but i can see where you're coming from ). I respect your opinions on right and wrong, and commend your tolerance. Tolerance is a powerful force of good.
To those who advocate legislating Christian morality, focusing on these issues makes it seem that you're selectively advocating Christian morality. It seems that there are many other acts and issues which are more widespread that are painted as "wrong" in the Bible. It often seems that only those issues which are not only biblically wrong, but also very different from the "Christian lifestyle". Adultery, divorce, pride, etc are also condemned in the Bible, yet it seems that the Christian majority is only focusing on these other issues. To avoid hypocrisy, accompanying the "war on drugs" should be a "war on adultery". If Christians are going to picket abortion clinics, they should also picket shellfish wholesalers. I get the impression that doctrine is used to support agenda instead of agenda being driven by doctrine. (not that i believe that doctrine driving agenda is a good thing, but it would seem less hypocritical.)
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