Home | Be a Christian | Devotionals | Join Us! | Forums | Rules | F.A.Q.


Go Back   Christian Forums > Society > Society > Physical & Life Sciences > Creation & Evolution
Register BlogsPrayersJobsArcade Calendar Mark Forums Read

Creation & Evolution Forum for the discussion of this important topic. This forum is open to non-believers. There is a Christians-only forum in the Christians-only section too.

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 3rd February 2004, 07:09 PM
Regular Member

Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 5th July 2003
Posts: 167
Blessings: 91,044
Reps: 41 (power: 0)
shenzhou is on a distinguished road
Thousands of years of weathering during the 'flood'

In Northern Ireland there are many layers of Tertiary age basalt.

http://www.geographyinaction.co.uk/G...eol_index.html

Between these layers of basalt are beds of laterite a product of the chemical weathering of basalt:



an example from Antrim (1) the laterite is the red layer.

These beds can be extremely thick reaching a maximum depth of 30m. The chemical alteration of the rock needed to form a thick layer of laterite takes a long time (approx 1-2 million years (2)) and does not happen underwater. The surface environment is also confirmed by a lack of pllow lavas (diagnostic of underwater basalt eruption) and fossilised tree roots found in these paleosols: http://www.habitas.org.uk/fossils/basalt.html

falsifications of the flood in this formation:

1) time needed to form the laterite

2) lack of pillow lavas in the basalt (not erupted underwater)

3) evidence of trees growing between lava flows (long time between eruptions - consistant with presence of laterite and surface eruption of basalt)

(1) Piotr Migon, Karna Lidmar-Bergstrom. Weathering mantles and their significance for geomorphological evolution of central and northern Europe since the Mesozoic. Earth-Science Reviews 56 2001 285–324.

(2) I.G. Hill, R.H. Worden, I.G. Meighan. Geochemical evolution of a palaeolaterite: the Interbasaltic Formation, Northern Ireland. Chemical Geology 166 2000 65–84.
Reply With Quote
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!

  #2  
Old 3rd February 2004, 07:28 PM
Philosoft's Avatar
Orthogonal, Tangential, Tenuously Related

38 Gender: Male Faith: Atheist Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 26th December 2002
Location: Southeast of Disorder
Posts: 5,840
Blessings: 85,195
Reps: 2,470 (power: 17)
Philosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of lightPhilosoft is a glorious beacon of light
Geology is our friend. Except for those who don't get on so well, like creationists.
__________________

It's party time for the guys in the tower of Babel
Sodom meet Gomorrah, Cain meet Abel
~Elton John


I couldn't if I tried.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 3rd February 2004, 08:18 PM
Routerider's Avatar
Disciple of the Annunaki Alliance

39 Gender: Male Faith: Unitarian Party: US-Republican Country: United States Member For 5 Years
View Profile Pic
 
Join Date: 4th October 2003
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 2,166
Blessings: 99,859
Reps: 2,512 (power: 13)
Routerider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of lightRouterider is a glorious beacon of light
Originally Posted by Philosoft
Geology is our friend. Except for those who don't get on so well, like creationists.
I'm not a YEC but I play one on the internet. The answer to this is to simply reject it...any evidence that is contrary to the Bible should be dismissed immediately.
__________________

To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 3rd February 2004, 08:41 PM
Regular Member

Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 5th July 2003
Posts: 167
Blessings: 91,044
Reps: 41 (power: 0)
shenzhou is on a distinguished road
Originally Posted by Routerider
I'm not a YEC but I play one on the internet.
Just as i suspected, most people just cant be that dumb. Alhtough i have met a few creationists in meatspace - so they sadly do exist.

Interestingly the most common form of creationism round these parts Islamic creationism. And most creationists i have met have been members of al muhajiroun a crazy Osama supporting bunch of loonies - although to be fair most of their beliefs are far saner than creationism (introducing sharia law, forcing women to wear a hijab etc.)
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 4th February 2004, 10:47 AM
Regular Member

Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 5th July 2003
Posts: 167
Blessings: 91,044
Reps: 41 (power: 0)
shenzhou is on a distinguished road
Here is another picture of a paleosol, this time in Oregon: http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/Fie...Paleosol1.jpeg

A Californian paleosol developed on basalt:
http://www.visualsunlimited.com/brow...8/vu93841.html

The time required to form these structures is far greater than allowed by most flood models - the flood is falsified again!

and a paper describing a paleosol from Oregon in detail: PEDOGENESIS AND GEOCHEMICAL ALTERATION OF COLUMBIA RIVER BASALT LAVAS. http://www.uoregon.edu/~nsheldon/Bulletin2003.pdf
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 4th February 2004, 10:53 AM
Just say NO to YEC'ism

Faith: Christian Country: United States Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 13th May 2002
Location: Gainesville
Posts: 449
Blessings: 91,098
Reps: 314 (power: 0)
JGMEERT is a jewel in the roughJGMEERT is a jewel in the roughJGMEERT is a jewel in the roughJGMEERT is a jewel in the rough
Originally Posted by shenzhou
Here is another picture of a paleosol, this time in Oregon: http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/Fie...Paleosol1.jpeg

A Californian paleosol developed on basalt:
http://www.visualsunlimited.com/brow...8/vu93841.html

The time required to form these structures is far greater than allowed by most flood models - the flood is falsified again!

and a paper describing a paleosol from Oregon in detail: PEDOGENESIS AND GEOCHEMICAL ALTERATION OF COLUMBIA RIVER BASALT LAVAS. http://www.uoregon.edu/~nsheldon/Bulletin2003.pdf
JM: I would like to add yet another few shots of paleosols that don't fit into the flood framework

http://gondwanaresearch.com/hp/paleosol.htm

including my favorite shot (a termite mound, courtesy of Steve Hasiotis KU).



Cheers

Joe Meert
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 4th February 2004, 11:49 AM
Regular Member

Member For 5 Years
 
Join Date: 5th July 2003
Posts: 167
Blessings: 91,044
Reps: 41 (power: 0)
shenzhou is on a distinguished road
Thanks for the link


that nice picture of the termite mound reminds me of the fossil bee nests that has been found in a paleosol in Argentina:


I guess they must be aquatic bees!

maybe related to your aquatic termites and the 'underwater' insects insects of the coconino sandstone.

Source: Jorge F. Genise a, Juan C. Sciutto b, Jose H. Laza c, Mirta G. Gonzalez c, Eduardo S. Bellosi c. Fossil bee nests, coleopteran pupal chambers and tuffaceous paleosols from the Late Cretaceous Laguna Palacios Formation, Central Patagonia (Argentina). Palaeogeography, Palaeoclimatology, Palaeoecology 177 (2002) 215-235. http://www.bibble.plus.com/luc/Fossi...Argentina).pdf
Reply With Quote
Reply


Return to Creation & Evolution

Thread Tools
Display Modes


 
Become a CF Site Supporter Today and Make These Ads Go Away!


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 06:20 AM.