I really am curious now about the Book of Revelation.. It seems to me all these years that this book is basicly scanned quickly in WOF circles. Can someone tell me why? This is the most interpreted, misinterpreted book in the Bible. However, it was given by revelation to John. Can't we understand it by the same God given Revelation? Has any WOF's done any exaustive studies of Revelation? I accept its the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and I read the back of the book and we win!
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The Preterist says - It's all already taken place.
The Pre-millenialist - We're going before the thousand year reign of Christ.
The Post-millenialist - We're going after the thousand year reign of Christ.
The A-millenialist - We're not going anywhere.
Pre-trib Rapture - That we are raptured (taken away) before the last 7-year period of earth.
Mid-Trib - That we are raptured during the middle of the 7-year period.
Post-trib - That we are raptured at the end of the 7-year period.
I've read some interesting articles by Messianic Jews who state that the Bible shows that it is the wicked, NOT THE RIGHTEOUS, that are taken away (as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of Man comes, the flood came and took them (the wicked) away).
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Galatians 3:19 - What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made.
Riverpaster...I've read some interesting articles by Messianic Jews who state that the Bible shows that it is the wicked, NOT THE RIGHTEOUS, that are taken away (as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of Man comes, the flood came and took them (the wicked) away).
I have read just about every interpretation as you have listed. Now I'm at the point that maybe, (except for preterism view) that maybe every view is true. If he comes in the first watch, second watch, third... there seems to be a view that satisfies everyone... but is that how we're to understand it? I have also considered that its the wicked that are taken away, and the rightous shall shine forth in the Kingdom of their Father... I might have opened a can of worms by starting this thread. LOL. If there is only one interpretation, why cant we all understand it the same way, by the Spirit?
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Cause we're all bound by our traditions to some degree... LOL
I have never found a Preterist who could answer the question that this scripture has been fulfilled:
Zechariah 14:1-4 - Behold, the day of the LORD cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
They say He came and appeard in the clouds but they will never answer the question, Did His foot stand that day on the Mount of Olives? Did it cleave to the east and the west? Did the mountain remove and the valley form?
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Galatians 3:19 - What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made.
Riverpastor....
They say He came and appeard in the clouds but they will never answer the question, Did His foot stand that day on the Mount of Olives? Did it cleave to the east and the west? Did the mountain remove and the valley form?
Preterist view leaves to many unfulfilled scripture left hanging in my book to be a consideration..To say it all was done in AD 70, just does not fit.... to say that the promise of His return, was accomplished at that point is mute. He was lifted up, not decending down.. but thats the problem, too many different views of God's word..
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For with God nothing shall be impossible. Luke 1:47
The Preterist says - It's all already taken place.
The Pre-millenialist - We're going before the thousand year reign of Christ.
The Post-millenialist - We're going after the thousand year reign of Christ.
The A-millenialist - We're not going anywhere.
Pre-trib Rapture - That we are raptured (taken away) before the last 7-year period of earth.
Mid-Trib - That we are raptured during the middle of the 7-year period.
Post-trib - That we are raptured at the end of the 7-year period.
I've read some interesting articles by Messianic Jews who state that the Bible shows that it is the wicked, NOT THE RIGHTEOUS, that are taken away (as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be when the Son of Man comes, the flood came and took them (the wicked) away).
While (most) all those views listed here deal with when Christ will return, the main themes of the Book of Revelation ALL WoFer's can agree with.
Those themes are:
1. The Kingdom of God will prevail over the kingdoms of this world.
2. Christ will return to judge the living and the dead.
3. Believers will be rewarded for their faithfulness.
4. Non-believers will be damned for their rejection of Jesus.
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The angel of the Lord encamps around those who fear him, and he delivers them.
Taste and see that the Lord is good; blessed is the man who takes refuge in him.Psalm 34:7-8
I really am curious now about the Book of Revelation.. It seems to me all these years that this book is basicly scanned quickly in WOF circles. Can someone tell me why? This is the most interpreted, misinterpreted book in the Bible. However, it was given by revelation to John. Can't we understand it by the same God given Revelation? Has any WOF's done any exaustive studies of Revelation? I accept its the Revelation of Jesus Christ, and I read the back of the book and we win!
It is funny that WoF is often criticized for reading their own ideas into the Bible. Revelations is one of the most abused books for doing this and yet I know of no major WoF (prophet/teacher) who has attempted to expand on this book. I personally think we should read it and pick up a thing here and a thing there.. but I do not believe that God has revealed the fullness of this book to this generation. I believe much of this book remains hidden and that those who attempt to expound on it are just spouting opinioins and wasting their time. I am thinking of one specific TV preacher who has taught on prophetic events for years. His ideas change every time there is realignment of nations or threat of war. His ideas about the USA of Europe has changed....(???) I cannot say the number of times. WoF does not do this. What I am saying that I know of no WoF preacher who has stood up and proclaimed he knows the meaning of Revelations by virtue of revelation knowledge. I do not see where God has revealed it into the hearts of His people at this time.
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Father Rick....
1. The Kingdom of God will prevail over the kingdoms of this world.
2. Christ will return to judge the living and the dead.
3. Believers will be rewarded for their faithfulness.
4. Non-believers will be damned for their rejection of Jesus.
I agree with this, So if just these four sentences had been written. It would be enough.. or.... are we to know the times and seasons mentioned, what the symbolizems are and who is it refering too. I am troubled by all the different understandings of the Book.. No matter what our interpretations are, those four things prove true throughout the whole book. Timing, locations, fulfilled, or not fulfilled seems to be the biggest hinderance in understanding it. So alot of us just generalize it in that way. And to be ready when ever the time is.
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Good summarization Dids. Is that Jack Van Im... well, never mind. It might even be Hal Linds... well, I'd better not.
Father Rick, you're right. I'm so eschatologically defensive at times that I am quick to point out that there are so many opposing views in the book of Revelation that no one group is right in its interpretation.
I have my own views of eschatology but I do not teach them publicly, for I believe, as Didaskalos says, that we do not have the fullness of its revelation yet.
One of the greatest advents to come around over the last few years is the modeling of prayer, intercession and worship that was given credence from Mike Bickle and Wes Campbell and the IHOP group.
It uses the worship of the first few chapters of Revelation as the sounding board for its model for prayer and worship...
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Galatians 3:19 - What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made.
riverpastorGood summarization Dids. Is that Jack Van Im... well, never mind. It might even be Hal Linds... well, I'd better not.
LOL...
Did's.... WHEW!! I'm relieved...I was thinking that I'm supposed to understand this book.. Everyone else seems to have full assurance of it's meaning and don't mind "broadcasting" their interpretations, then when things change, they do have to change their view also to make it fit. I also think that the Book of Revelation is just that.. a revelation when the time is right.
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