Suicide

I have a question about suicide. According to WOF teaching would someone who had accepted Christ and then committed suicide go to heaven?

I think they would because they had accepted Christ. Even though it was a sin to commit suicide, Christ died for that sin.

Would their not being able to ask for forgiveness negate the sinner's prayer?

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Since there are two camps of beliefs in the WoF concernig eternal security, the answer is going to differ here as well.

I believe that a person's spirit is changed to that of a new creature when they are saved. No matter what happens, that new creation will always be that new creation.

You're asking as to whether or not God forgives ALL sins - past, present and future - with this question as well...

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Galatians 3:19 - What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made.

Yes you are right. I guess I am asking that. The more I think about this the more complicated it seems to get. Thank you for responding riverpastor. I respect your posts. They are always full of wisdom.

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Most people hesitate saying anything forgiving or accepting about suicide because it could be taken as encouragement to do it.
People get lost in life sometimes. Their minds veer off into a place and they feel trapped, hopeless, alone, etc. They see suicide as a solution to what usually is a short term problem time in their lives.
It is in that confused state of mind that they consider suicide.
I have to say that if they are born again they are saved no matter what.
But I think there are other eternal ramifications for doing this.

I agree Dids. I believe that even believers can get trapped by the darkness of satan's deceptions to the point to where there appears no answer. May very well be that an evil spirit attaches itself to a person and works on the level of thoughts to take them to the point of suicide.

Thanks Rainbow Rose!

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Galatians 3:19 - What then was the purpose of the Law? It was added because of transgressions and [to make men more conscious of the sinfulness] of sin; and it was intended to be in effect until the Seed (the Descendant, the Heir) should come, to and concerning Whom the promise had been made.

Growing up I was taught that if you commit suicide, you go to hell. Didn't matter if you were saved. I no longer believe that. I was talking to one of my church family about her father committing suicide and that is what brought up this question.

I see your point Didaskalos and I agree. You always speak with wisdom. Thank you for responding to my post.

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Well I believe that it is all in the circumstance. I once heard of a man who was really down on his luck and was threatening to commit sucide. No one told him it was wrong. He got saved but then killed his whole family and then commited sucide. I think that he went to heaven just because he didn't know it was wrong. But then again Hosea 4:6 says my people perish for a lack of knowledge so..........what I am getting at is the older more mature christian (not neccessarily the geezer lol maybe just one that is matured spiritually) that knows suicide is murder and that it is a sin I believe they will go to hell for commiting suicide no matter how much the devil plays with their thoughts. And I think that the newer christian the "Baby" if you will, will have more grace in the site of God. No scripture to back this up just a belief or convictionthat I have.

Suicide is selfish and God definately doesn't like it but it doesn't keep a person out of heaven, its silly to think that suicide is unforgivable and I think that denominations that teach that it is have caused a lot of grief for people that have experienced that tragedy in their own family.

My brother in law commited suicide, left my sister with 3 small children, he was a Sunday school teacher, Awana leader, worked the same job for 20 years and was an upstanding example in his community but he was on some pain medication for a back injury and for some reason he killed himself one day, no note, no explanation, the God I know would not send him to hell for a moment of hazy decision making in a life of service to God and family.

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I would like to believe, if you had accepted Christ died for Your sins, you would go to heaven. I don't think any of us can say for certain. I know I am not willing to risk not going to heaven. I pray no one reads this and thinks "well, I was saved so I can commit suicide." There have been many, many, MANY times I wanted to "get away" from it all and stop my hurting. But, Jesus suffered, as have so many others besides me and if they could make it through (as I have so often) then so can I ~ and so can YOU!

This is for rainbow rose
Is it said in the WORD OF GOD that to murder (take a life) it is sin? Does it also say there will be no sin to enter into heaven? Does it also say that God left us a way out of that judgement of sin by way of asking for forgiveness? Well, my question would be to you, if the way to escape judgement of sin is to repent of it, tell me how can one ask forgiveness of murder if one is DEAD? Dead men don't talk, they face judgement either of good or of bad. If no sin will enter heaven and you commit sin against yourself and cannot repent of it, you tell me. I don't care if it's a minister or another saint who replies to this question you posted. I would be very carefull what answer I gave someone concerning this matter. Yes, it's terrible that someone would get so far entangled with warfare that they would allow a spirit of suicide to convince them that is their only answer ( I had a pastor friend that done the same, it was a very hard thing to go through.) Nevertheless, the scriptures do not change for anyone. the Bible says that if it were not for the shortening of the days, even the very ellect would be lost. That's why it is sooo important to continue praying, fasting & studying the Word to keep our thinking right and to keep that relationship with God open & fresh. There is no situation God cannot take us thru. If you know of anyone that is battelling that spirit, pray dillagently for them and be there for them, bind that spirit off them. I myself faced that spirit on more than one occasion when I was in a low state spiritually. I thank God for a great Pastor & great saints that interceded for me. I did not think I had the strength to go on after what I had gone thru and I asked God, "I am so weak, where is my strenght?" After that time of lowness, the Lord spoke & said "my Word is your strength, read my Word." That's why I say it is sooo important to read & study His Word, satan seeks to destroy whomever he can & will try anything, he would love nothing better than to cause someone to commit suicide, because once they do, he has them, & they can no longer be a threat to him of the possibility of reaching their family & friends and seeing them filled with the Holy Ghost and Baptized. He wants to keep all of us from reaching out to others. So don't be fooled by him & don't allow yourself to concider the idea that we make it into heaven for suicide, that's a trick of the devil. There is no exception for sin, Jesus paid the price for sin yet we still have to repent. If you tell a lie today, do you not have to repent? The Bible says ALL liars will have their place in the lake of fire, didn't it? I would say that is very plain spoken. NO SIN IN HEAVEN.