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18th September 2004, 11:37 AM
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Reps: 1,067,007,163,883 (power: 1,067,007,173) | | | Abiogenesis or God?
Lets hear your imput on a theory or the Bible. |
18th September 2004, 12:09 PM
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Reps: 9,274,249 (power: 9,289) | | | It seems like you're saying: abiogenesis=atheism. You do realize this is false, do you?
__________________ Tom 'What luck for rulers, that men do not think.' -Ascribed to Adolf Hitler- `Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.' -Through the Looking Glas by Lewis Caroll- Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. --Aaron Levenstein |
18th September 2004, 12:33 PM
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18th September 2004, 12:45 PM
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18th September 2004, 02:30 PM
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Reps: 6,340 (power: 13) | | | Well, since Christians are very happy pushing their God of the Gaps further and further back, I suspect that if abiogenesis is soundly proven, they will simply say that God acted on it to occur. 'Nuff said. |
18th September 2004, 02:50 PM
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Reps: 247,773,133,073 (power: 247,773,145) | | | God and abiogenesis are mutually exclusive, there is no substantive difference between abiogenesis and materialistic atheism. Abiogenesis, by the way, doesn't even have enough demonstrated evidence to be considered a theroy. Its a fantasy like much of the rest of evolutionary theology, it excluded anything that might be understood to be God's handiwork.
__________________ “Gärtner, by the results of these transformation experiments, was led to oppose the opinion of those naturalists who dispute the stability of plant species and believe in a continuous evolution of vegetation. He perceives in the complete transformation of one species into another an indubitable proof that species are fixed with limits beyond which they cannot change.” (G. Mendel) |
18th September 2004, 03:07 PM
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Reps: 9,274,249 (power: 9,289) | | | God and abiogenesis are mutually exclusive the same way God and meteorology are mutually exclusive. Cut the false dichotomies Mark, they make you look bad.
__________________ Tom 'What luck for rulers, that men do not think.' -Ascribed to Adolf Hitler- `Contrariwise,' continued Tweedledee, `if it was so, it might be; and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's logic.' -Through the Looking Glas by Lewis Caroll- Statistics are like a bikini. What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. --Aaron Levenstein |
18th September 2004, 03:26 PM
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18th September 2004, 03:38 PM
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Reps: 247,773,133,073 (power: 247,773,145) | | | Wrong answer! God is by definition alive, abiogenesis is the emergence of life from nonliving sources. Evolution, I might add, is a biogenesis model and the myth of abiogenesis has virtually no empirical proof that it is even possible. Abiogenesis is not only a rejection of God as a source for life, but life as a source for life. It has nothing to do with the large body of work that has grown up around evolutionary biology. It is natualistic methodology taken to its most impossible extreme both as science and theology. Calling it a false dichotomy is patently absurd and betrays a woefull lack of comprehension of how this undemonstrated, unfalsifiable hypothesis is nothing more then idle speculation.
__________________ “Gärtner, by the results of these transformation experiments, was led to oppose the opinion of those naturalists who dispute the stability of plant species and believe in a continuous evolution of vegetation. He perceives in the complete transformation of one species into another an indubitable proof that species are fixed with limits beyond which they cannot change.” (G. Mendel) |
18th September 2004, 05:08 PM
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Reps: 25 (power: 0) | | it may be idle speculation, but it has been proven that basic biological molecules (does not equal cells by the way  ) can be produced during conditions similar to the ones in primitive Earth, making it the hypothesis with the most backing from evidence currently available. | | |
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