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Reps: 7,814 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by BT The quote was intended to differentiate between a "sacrament" and an "ordinance". In the sacrament of communion the belief is that the eucharist becomes the literal flesh, essence etc. of Christ. In the ordinance of the Lord's Supper the belief is that the cracker (that's what we use) is a remembrance of the sacrifice of Christ. So in the ordinance there is no "transformation". If you can think of a better word for saying some words, waving hands and turning bread into flesh... than magic spell... then more power to ya.
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Reps: 790 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by BT If you can think of a better word for saying some words, waving hands and turning bread into flesh... than magic spell... then more power to ya.
Well, Lutherans believe that it is not by "magic" but by Christ's promise in Scripture, so yes, we can think of better words. 
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Reps: 112,742 (power: 124) | | Originally Posted by 12volt_man You might disagree with the way Catholicism practices communion, as do I, but let's show a little grace here and disagree respectfully.
I did.
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Reps: 112,742 (power: 124) | | Originally Posted by LuxPerpetua Well, Lutherans believe that it is not by "magic" but by Christ's promise in Scripture, so yes, we can think of better words.
Don't push it Lux, you are not permitted to debate here.
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Reps: 112,742 (power: 124) | | Originally Posted by LuxPerpetua Well, Lutherans believe that it is not by "magic" but by Christ's promise in Scripture, so yes, we can think of better words.
This is a debate seed. What the Lutherans believe is not i.e. it's Christ's promise. Is a sure way to start a debate in here. Mask it all you like, it is what it is. We're all interested in peace in here, look for that thread and read it. This is not a way to maintain that peace.
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Reps: 790 (power: 0) | | Originally Posted by BT This is a debate seed. What the Lutherans believe is not i.e. it's Christ's promise. Is a sure way to start a debate in here. Mask it all you like, it is what it is. We're all interested in peace in here, look for that thread and read it. This is not a way to maintain that peace.
Well, it wasn't intended as a "debate seed" as you call it, but just to say that Lutherans most certainly believe it is Christ's promise and we take great offense at something that we consider sacred being called "magic." There are far better ways that you could have chosen to phrase your disagreement. You asked for "better words" and I gave them to you, but that doesn't mean you must agree with me.
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Reps: 112,742 (power: 124) | | | Your "better words" would be by some considered heresy. I suppose some might have preferred "magic". To come into the Baptist forum, state a Lutheran doctrine, and quasi-support it with scripture, is not a debate seed? Then dear one you do not know Baptists.
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Reps: 112,742 (power: 124) | | Originally Posted by LuxPerpetua I wasn't debating, only answering your question. Thanks for the warm welcome.
I'm not currently a member of the Baptist/Anabaptist forum welcome wagon. Bleechers is but he's taking a short vacation... sorry.
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