Salvation before Christ

I was wondering, how could people gain salvation before Jesus Christ came?

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all this that i have
is all that you are
cutting for love
a new trophy scar
just not worth the tears
and the penance
not worth the blood
that we both pour
i want to live
without the guilt we give
i want to die without this pain
i want to live
without the guilt we give
i want to die
without your name
without this pain

Greetings Bulldog,

It is generally accepted that those who had a personal relationship with God before the cross were kept in Abraham's Bosom. This is apparently a sort of holding place in Paradise where men went to after death to await the cross.

Once Jesus went to the cross, He then went and preached to those "held in prison" (I believe referring to Abraham's Bosom) and when He arose He took "captivity captive" with Him when he ascended to the Father. I believe those who went with Him, are part of the "firstfruits".

Salvation is ONLY through Christ and according to Eph 2:8-9 - by grace through faith.

Blessings

Dad Ernie

Got it.

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all this that i have
is all that you are
cutting for love
a new trophy scar
just not worth the tears
and the penance
not worth the blood
that we both pour
i want to live
without the guilt we give
i want to die without this pain
i want to live
without the guilt we give
i want to die
without your name
without this pain

What about Moses and Elijah?

The basis of salvation at any point in time is the death of Christ. The requirement for salvation is faith, with the object being God, but the content of that faith changes due to what may be known of Christ and His death through the progress of revelation.

In Christ,
Tracey

I'm not exactly sure what you mean, but my initial thoughts are that God does NOT change and I believe these verse speaks to what you are saying:

Romans 1:16-17 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Blessings,

Dad Ernie

Look at Hebrews 11 ?
by faith noah , by faith abraham , by faith Issac , by faith Jacob ....
counted unto them as righteousness ?

Just throwing my take on it out here:

I believe that when Yeshua said no one comes to the Father but through Him, He was stating a from-time-immemorial Truth, rather than declaring some new thing that had never been the case, as in, "well, hey, now that I'm here, you'll have to go through Me." He always has, is and always will be the One through Whom all must go in order to be "saved", and all who have ever believed and come to salvation (even in the days before Yeshua hung on the tree) have come near to the Father through Yeshua, whether they realized it was through His working or knew His personal name or not. That is why His name is Yeshua (Salvation) -- He came as Salvation in human form, but He didn't suddenly *become* Salvation when He took human form -- that is Who He is, Who He has always been and was even before He took human form, and Who He will ever be -- the Salvation of Elohim. And yes, people were saved in the "Old" testament. JMHO.

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"For my Torah observant gentile friends: In Tractate Avoda Zara 3b, our sages tell us of the END OF DAYS. 2,000 years ago our rabbis explained that near the end of days many non-Jews will start keeping commandments like Jews. They will even call themselves part of the nation of Israel. BUT, when things get tough and the world turns on Israel-they cast off of the commandments and join the world against Israel. Hmm.." Jeremy Gimpel

Psalm 103
17. But the Lord's kindness is from everlasting to everlasting, and His charity to sons of sons. 18 To those who keep His covenant and to those who remember His commandments to perform them.

Is He true to His Word? He's either faithful and true to those who fear and obey Him, or you know what you call Him.

Deut. 30

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“For this commandment which I command you today is not too difficult for you, nor is it out of reach.
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“It is not in heaven, that you should say, ‘Who will go up to heaven for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’
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“Nor is it beyond the sea, that you should say, ‘Who will cross the sea for us to get it for us and make us hear it, that we may observe it?’
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“But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.


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“See, I have set before you today life and prosperity, and death and adversity;
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in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways and to keep His commandments and His statutes and His judgments, that you may live and multiply, and that the LORD your God may bless you in the land where you are entering to possess it.
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“But if your heart turns away and you will not obey, but are drawn away and worship other gods and serve them,
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I declare to you today that you shall surely perish. You will not prolong your days in the land where you are crossing the Jordan to enter and possess it.
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“I call heaven and earth to witness against you today, that I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. So choose life in order that you may live, you and your descendants,
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by loving the LORD your God, by obeying His voice, and by holding fast to Him; for this is your life and the length of your days, that you may live in the land which the LORD swore to your fathers, to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, to give them.”

I wasn't my intention to imply that God ever changes, but the content of revelation He gives man has changed over time. The requirement for salvation has always been faith in God to provide a "way" of deliverance from the judgment and presence of sin, but to what extent the way was made manifest changed over time.

The protoevangelium ( Gen. 3:15 ) includes God's promise ( object ) the seed of the woman would suffer under the serpent ( basis ), but the seed would ultimately conquer the serpent ( content ). Under the development of the promise, the content was clarified to include the provision of blessing through Abraham's seed available to all nations ( Gen. 15:6 ). Abraham believed ( requirement ) God ( object ) in terms of what He had just promised ( content; Gen. 15:1-5 ). God then accounted Abraham's faith ( requirement ) to be righteousness ( delivered from the condemnation of sin ).

Under grace, the content of the promise has come to its full expression in the Gospel. The seed of the woman and of Abraham is Jesus of Nazareth. The blow by the serpent was Jesus' death on the cross ( ultimate basis ), whereas Satan's defeat was the resurrection of Christ from the dead.

In Christ,
Tracey