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Old 13th September 2004, 09:36 PM
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Reformed vs Calvinism

Would someone be able to 'briefly' explain to me the basic beliefs of Reformed Christians? I have a friend who keeps asking me and I know some very basic stuff but I don't want to tell her wrong info.

Ex: what makes Reformed different from Calvinists? Is salvation possible for non-Christians? Do Reformists believe in predestination and/or TULIP? etc.

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Btw: I've been trying to reference her to websites for months, but she has a 1 year old, a full time job, a house, her dad just died, and her husband works full time too. So obviously she doesn't get a chance to do a lot of surfing the web.
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There's a possibility for any person to have salvation, that's decision was already made by God before this world exist, so yes an unbeliever can become a believer if it's God good pleasure to save them..from any denomantion or outside of the church world.

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Is Calvinism and Reformed the same thing? Would you (or anyone really) be able to help me distinguish between the two? Thanks all
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Of course, everyone who answers this will have a slightly different view, but I'll give it a shot, believing that I'm more or less qualified to do so. Here it is; most people think of the terms "Calvinist" and "Reformed" as virtual synonyms and use them interchangeably. Others, including myself, get a bit more technical. For instance, Calvinist is more broad and can apply to just about any group or individual (Presbyterian, Baptist, Charismatic, Dispensationalist etc.) that believes in sovereign grace, or the "5 points" of Calvinism as commonly understood. Reformed is narrower, and indicates a belief system much more in line with historic Scottish Presbyterianism and/or Puritans e.g. infant baptism, worship- particularly an adherence to the Regulative Principle, and amillennial or postmillenial eschatology among other things. But, like I said, a lot of people don't make these distinctions, and most 5-point Calvinists will insist they are Reformed, because to them it means the same thing. Hence "Reformed" Baptists and the like. Hope that helps a little anyway.
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Of course, everyone who answers this will have a slightly different view, but I'll give it a shot, believing that I'm more or less qualified to do so. Here it is; most people think of the terms "Calvinist" and "Reformed" as virtual synonyms and use them interchangeably. Others, including myself, get a bit more technical. For instance, Calvinist is more broad and can apply to just about any group or individual (Presbyterian, Baptist, Charismatic, Dispensationalist etc.) that believes in sovereign grace, or the "5 points" of Calvinism as commonly understood. Reformed is narrower, and indicates a belief system much more in line with historic Scottish Presbyterianism and/or Puritans e.g. infant baptism, worship- particularly an adherence to the Regulative Principle, and amillennial or postmillenial eschatology among other things. But, like I said, a lot of people don't make these distinctions, and most 5-point Calvinists will insist they are Reformed, because to them it means the same thing. Hence "Reformed" Baptists and the like. Hope that helps a little anyway.

it is interesting that you would propose this, as Calvin clearly taught infant baptism, and supported church worship changes that presupposed something like the regulative principle. However there is little to no eschatology in Calvin. Most of reformed people agree on the items in institutes books 1-3 and put most if not all the differences in the items expounded in book IV.

that said, you have a good start with looking at the subsequent history of Calvinist thought, seeing reformed as particularly scottish or english doesnt seem to capture the essential differences however. perhaps listing the various nucleui of reformed thinking: scotland, dutch, swiss, hungarian and trying to see however they diverged from Calvin and from each other would be a useful exercise.
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Thanks rm. You're right and I have no quarrel with anything you said. Certainly it's true that Calvin was a paedobaptist and had those views on worship and a different take on the Lord's Supper than the mere "memorial" significance attached to it by some Baptists and others. I didn't mean to imply that the 5 points represented the breadth and depth of his teaching or "Calvinism" as a system. Perhaps I made the mistake of oversimplification, but I was trying give a more broad and easy to understand explanation without getting bogged down in details that would be difficult for the uninitiated to follow, and, rightly or wrongly, in our time "Calvinism" seems to have taken on a somewhat broader connotation. In no way do I think that my explanation was comprehensive or the best anyone could give or that others aren't free to weigh in. I hope they will!
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This is very interesting to me (and educational) At this point I still do need that 'oversimplification' of the beliefs though I didn't know Calvinists believed in infant baptism. Is this one of those things that Calvin himself believed but as far as Calvinism goes, has evolved (like the virginity of Mary)?

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As far as I know, infant baptism was practiced by everyone (including Calvin). 'til the Baptists came around. As a former Elder in the Reformed Church in America, we will baptize anyone from baby to senior citizen, if they haven't been before. We also will baptize by sprinkling, pouring , or immersion (all covered by the Greek verb baptizo). One time there was a woman who had been baptized by immersion, in another denomination, and wanted her daughters baptized the same way. We arranged to go a block over to the Baptist church & use the "wading pool"(sorry, for not remembering the proper term, it's late) in their basement.
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We baptise adults by immersion in my church too (but babies we pour on to, for obvious reasons).

I love this you guys! It helps me see similarities in our faith's that I didn't know existed. (I'm soooooo sick on the focus of how we're [Catholic/Protestant] different).
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I love this you guys! It helps me see similarities in our faith's that I didn't know existed. (I'm soooooo sick on the focus of how we're [Catholic/Protestant] different).
Me too!
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